Yeah, it had research and referenced actual rules instead of some neandrathal code.
I'm sure that most people on this board will think that of everything posted, that was the immature one.
It's his reasoning.
Hitting someone is instigating?
Is he advocating for all cross checks or hard hits or trips or facewashes in the final minutes of a game to be 5 minutes/game/possible suspension?
Every incident that could possibly lead to a fight is instigating?
Running a goalie?
Cite all the rules you want. If you look at the rules and come up with the line of thinking he did, he's not too bright.
I just went back and looked at Shanny's video on Quincey being suspended. What a Freakin joke! Quincey and Kopecky were both heading for the puck, it was not a blindside hit but Quincey did leave his feet preparing for the hit after he swatted the puck. Shanny commented on how Kopecky was not injured and how Quincey was a FIRST-time offender but that when you leave your feet before a collision, you become subject to extra scrutiny. It was definitely a hocky play as they were both going for the puck.
Now compare that to Weber's actions. Weber NOT a first-time offender, not a hockey play and even after the game had ended. But, Weber did not leave his feet so I guess there is no scrutiny for an intentional blow to the head and then taking a second try at it by grabbing the guys head and smashing it into the glass.
Shanny is a joke, I'm removing his name from the Sweater that I have and I'm putting Nyquist's name on it.
Hitting someone is instigating? Is he advocating for all cross checks or hard hits or trips or facewashes in the final minutes of a game to be 5 minutes/game/possible suspension?
Every incident that could possibly lead to a fight is instigating?
Running a goalie?
Cite all the rules you want. If you look at the rules and come up with the line of thinking he did, he's not too bright.
No he isn't and I can not believe that anyone who thinks clearly would believe that. Weber punched him after the game was over, and then slammed him into the glass when he felt the punch was not enough. That is not a facewash or a check or some shoving. That is clearly either trying to Injure somebody or instigate an altercation.
You're trying to equate a rolling stop with driving drunk the wrong way down the highway. And you look silly doing it.
No he isn't and I can not believe that anyone who thinks clearly would believe that. Weber punched him after the game was over, and then slammed him into the glass when he felt the punch was not enough. That is not a facewash or a check or some shoving. That is clearly either trying to Injure somebody or instigate an altercation.
You're trying to equate a rolling stop with driving drunk the wrong way down the highway. And you look silly doing it.
Or it was just an overreaction to what Zetterberg did..
Which I think is the "clear-headed" way to look at it.
But since you agree with the guy who says that Red Wings fans should overreact and be mindless homers, I don't expect you have much room for a "clear-headed" look at anything in this series.
it's perfectly acceptable to be a super homer who overreacts.
Just don't ask me or anyone else to take what you write as if it matters.
You're not thinking. You're cheering.
There's a difference.
There's room for both. But when the cheering clouds the thinking, the thinking ceases to matter.
Just don't ask me or anyone else to take what you write as if it matters.
You're not thinking. You're cheering.
There's a difference.
There's room for both. But when the cheering clouds the thinking, the thinking ceases to matter.
^^ There's room for both, just not at the same time
Or it was just an overreaction to what Zetterberg did..
Which I think is the "clear-headed" way to look at it.
Everything ever done in the history of the sport can be described as "just an overreaction" to something. Bert's notorious attack on Moore was just an overreaction too. Too bad that has nothing to do with how severe it was or whether it should be punished.
Impartial fans of other teams are saying it should have been a suspension. Nashville fans are saying it should have been a suspension. Shea Weber himself openly mocked the incident. Is it obvious enough that you're arguing for the sake of arguing?
I hope the Red Wings really go at Weber tonight. Not in a "get revenge" way, but in a "goad him into retaliation penalties" way. Especially in any board battles, they should be (while disguising it from the refs has much as possible) targeting him with subtle slashes, spears, knees, etc.
I hope the Red Wings really go at Weber tonight. Not in a "get revenge" way, but in a "goad him into retaliation penalties" way. Especially in any board battles, they should be (while disguising it from the refs has much as possible) targeting him with subtle slashes, spears, knees, etc.
Showing what he did in Game 1 he definitely has the Blues Pronger ability to completely implode and hand away a game via stupidity.
I haven't read the whole thread but I wanted to chime in (Preds fan, BTW).
I think Weber deserved a one game suspension, but I'm not surprised he didn't get it.
I don't think it was premeditated, and I don't think there was a conscious intent to injure. I believe it was a heat of the moment reaction, and Weber simply lashed out in a clearly inappropriate manner.
Ignore the lack of injury and the increased intensity of playoff hockey, though. This was not a hockey play. He didn't go in too fast and fail to pull up on a vulnerable player or a give a face wash or shove in a goal crease scrum. This was grabbing a guy and throwing him into the boards by his head. Nothing about it had anything to do with playing hockey, and Weber is lucky beyond all reason that Zetterberg wasn't injured. I read the force of the hit cracked his helmet and left him momentarily dizzy .
I'm selfishly glad he wasn't suspended, but I don't think it was the right call. Perhaps Shanahan is under-reacting for fear of showing favoritism to his former team?
I hope the Red Wings really go at Weber tonight. Not in a "get revenge" way, but in a "goad him into retaliation penalties" way. Especially in any board battles, they should be (while disguising it from the refs has much as possible) targeting him with subtle slashes, spears, knees, etc.
I'd put Abby on him, he is about as annoying (to the other team) as anyone that we have. And hopefully they will be watching Weber extra carefully. He does have a temper and is prone to losing it once in a while.
^He's also prone to losing focus and being caught flat footed. For such a Norris candidate I see him get spun around way too much. Send some speed at him and we'll catch him. And finishing every check and putting some fists in his mouth would help, too.
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Originally Posted by dubgeek
I haven't read the whole thread but I wanted to chime in (Preds fan, BTW).
I think Weber deserved a one game suspension, but I'm not surprised he didn't get it.
I don't think it was premeditated, and I don't think there was a conscious intent to injure. I believe it was a heat of the moment reaction, and Weber simply lashed out in a clearly inappropriate manner.
Ignore the lack of injury and the increased intensity of playoff hockey, though. This was not a hockey play. He didn't go in too fast and fail to pull up on a vulnerable player or a give a face wash or shove in a goal crease scrum. This was grabbing a guy and throwing him into the boards by his head. Nothing about it had anything to do with playing hockey, and Weber is lucky beyond all reason that Zetterberg wasn't injured. I read the force of the hit cracked his helmet and left him momentarily dizzy .
I'm selfishly glad he wasn't suspended, but I don't think it was the right call. Perhaps Shanahan is under-reacting for fear of showing favoritism to his former team?
Shanahan's spinning the same wheel Campbell was. He's just vlogging about it now.
I'd put Abby on him, he is about as annoying (to the other team) as anyone that we have. And hopefully they will be watching Weber extra carefully. He does have a temper and is prone to losing it once in a while.
This is where losing Helm really hurts us. Abby isn't fast enough or smart enough to avoid taking penalties himself in such a situation. Helm would be able to piss Weber right off. Remember what he did to Jovo a few years ago? Ed was beside himself at times because he was getting run and run hard, but legally.
Just don't ask me or anyone else to take what you write as if it matters.
You're not thinking. You're cheering.
There's a difference.
There's room for both. But when the cheering clouds the thinking, the thinking ceases to matter.
Look, I have pointed out some very reasoned arguments and referenced rules and referenced other incidents which were much less egregious that still received harsh discipline. I don't think that is being a homer. I think that he should have received 2 games since it is the playoffs. He targeted the head, he represented the NHL poorly, he is a repeat offender and it was after the final whistle and not a hockey play. For an average player during the regular season that would be 8-10 games. During the playoffs and considering his star status there is no way to think that he would get that. But certainly some sort of suspension should be required to prevent making a mockery out of the league. But I guess the league would rather have the controversy in order to boost ratings.
So I guess those are the arguments of a homer.
But from an ejukaded hockey fan like you we pretty much get, "stop being so logical, the redwings deserve what they get because kennyboy didn't consult with me about what he should do with the team"
Everything ever done in the history of the sport can be described as "just an overreaction" to something. Bert's notorious attack on Moore was just an overreaction too. Too bad that has nothing to do with how severe it was or whether it should be punished.
Impartial fans of other teams are saying it should have been a suspension. Nashville fans are saying it should have been a suspension. Shea Weber himself openly mocked the incident. Is it obvious enough that you're arguing for the sake of arguing?
No. I myself thought it a one-game suspension was acceptable. But I am OK with no games, too.
Zetterberg hit Weber in a way that Weber took exception.
Weber tried to punch Z in the back of the head, felt he didn't get enough of him, so he slammed his head into the glass.
Zetterberg got half way up almost immediately. He looked more pissed than dazed.
IMO, if it was Gill instead of Weber, it would probably be a 1-2 game suspension. But it was Weber. So I'm not surprised it was nothing. And I really don't have a giant issue with that, as long as the league takes the same stance if a prominent Wing is involved with an incident.
I actually respect the fact that the league is trying to avoid influencing the series outcome. (though it seems at odds with the way refs overofficiated game 1)
I think that about there's an awful lot of overdramatic hysterics coming from Red Wings fans right now.
Me? I look at the Weber incident as a potential pivotal moment. Weber upped the ante. And I love it. Because hopefully, this series gets interesting (quite honestly, most of game 1 was a snooze).
This is where losing Helm really hurts us. Abby isn't fast enough or smart enough to avoid taking penalties himself in such a situation. Helm would be able to piss Weber right off. Remember what he did to Jovo a few years ago? Ed was beside himself at times because he was getting run and run hard, but legally.
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"stop being so logical, the redwings deserve what they get because kennyboy didn't consult with me about what he should do with the team"
