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04-13-2012, 01:03 PM
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Pavel Buchnevich (2013 draft)

Well, he'll be 17 in 4 days, finished MHL season with 44 points in 45 games (Grigorenko was 35 points in 43 games last year). Right now he's playing for U20 team in St. Petersburg (scored 3 points vs Finland). And he won U17 with Russian team this year in Canada... Alas, I couldn't find what's his position.

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About time someone started a thread about him. This kid deserves some serious hype. Just for the record, his omission from Russian U18 is baffling everyone.

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1995s look fantastic

Tolchinsky, Nichushkin, Zadorov, Serebryakov, Barbashev, Buchnevich. Dikushin too (a guy who's wasting his talent in the USHL).

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1995s look fantastic

Tolchinsky, Nichushkin, Zadorov, Serebryakov, Barbashev, Buchnevich. Dikushin too (a guy who's wasting his talent in the USHL).
How is it a waste?

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Sounds good. 2013 is shaping up for a wonderful draft.

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How is it a waste?
Every country thinks their development system is the best.

I remember feeling a bit of outrage when Erik Haula went to Shattuck St. Mary's.

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How is it a waste?
Isn't it generally accepted that USHL is weaker league than CHL? (I won't bring Euro leagues in this argument or we will never hear the end of this ) So, if he decides to go to NA, why not CHL? Seems a bit weird choice.

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Sounds good. 2013 is shaping up for a wonderful draft.
Every year people say this about the coming draft... but the 2013 is the first that will really back it up. I'm unsure if people say that every year to

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Isn't it generally accepted that USHL is weaker league than CHL? (I won't bring Euro leagues in this argument or we will never hear the end of this ) So, if he decides to go to NA, why not CHL? Seems a bit weird choice.
He may be trying to improve his stance in the CHL import? May be wanting to go the NCAA route like Erik Haula did? May have parents who transferred over? Maybe he had a falling out with his Russian club?

USHL is not a weak league by any means.

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Dikushin too (a guy who's wasting his talent in the USHL).
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Every year people say this about the coming draft... but the 2013 is the first that will really back it up. I'm unsure if people say that every year to
I think it has to do with the front crop emerging a few seasons early. 16 year old kids playing well in a league meant for 17-18 year olds usually make us excited

But 2013 seems to be the legitimate "elite" year with incredible players like MacKinnon, Jones, Barkov, Monahan, Lazar, etc.

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If he was wasting his talent he would have more than 14 points in 40 games.

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Pavel is awesome talent

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One huge, serious thing to pay attention to is the praise from Bragin.... even about Yakupov, Grigo he kept saying not ready for NHL, still have to work etc... and we well know how hard is for a 17 years old to make it in Bragins team... he compares him to Malkin
so Nichushkin, Tolchinsky top 5 talent from what i heard.... how many top 5 does Russian end up with ?? )
2013 draft will be head and shoulders above previous ones, no need to 'Fail for whoever' might end up picking outside top 10 and get a guy as good as top 3

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If he was wasting his talent he would have more than 14 points in 40 games.

Dikushin dominated the U-17 when allowed to use his natural skill-set. He should developing those skills, and not focusing on a "NA game" skillset he doesn't have nor has no background in.......at least not at such a young age.

It's similar to Zharkov. After a wasted year in the USHL, he's finally starting to look like he used to in Russia. Changing development style too early is generally harmful.

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Pavel was named the best forward in St. Petersburg tournament. Alas, Russia was only 3rd. But who cares. Hope Buchnevich will play in WJC this year.

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Pavel was named the best forward in St. Petersburg tournament. Alas, Russia was only 3rd. But who cares. Hope Buchnevich will play in WJC this year.
Great player indeed. Him and Tolchinsky should have been on Russia u18 team now...

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He probably will make Severstal(KHL) next year. At least Severstal's coach said they keep an eye on him and he'll definitely be given a chance. I think such team as Severstal is a good place for development of a young talented player.
As for his position I believe he is C but not sure.

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He probably will make Severstal(KHL) next year. At least Severstal's coach said they keep an eye on him and he'll definitely be given a chance. I think such team as Severstal is a good place for development of a young talented player.
As for his position I believe he is C but not sure.
agree with you, I like Severstal´s job with youth. Chudinov, Kiselevich got their change at the age of 17,18 if I am right. And there are others who did not gave so much TOI but it is still better than other clubs

Pavel is C I believe

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Dikushin dominated the U-17 when allowed to use his natural skill-set. He should developing those skills, and not focusing on a "NA game" skillset he doesn't have nor has no background in.......at least not at such a young age.

It's similar to Zharkov. After a wasted year in the USHL, he's finally starting to look like he used to in Russia. Changing development style too early is generally harmful.
WHAT?! Zharkov and Dikushin are playing against a MUCH older competition, then they would have played in Russia in a defensively-minded league (USHL, Zharkov playED)... What's the usual knock on Russian forwards? "Crappy defensively" - Zharkov was able to improve his D to a point where it is not a major concern. "Finally starting to look like he did in Russia"? I sure hope not - his skating, his shot, his physicality has improved by leaps and bounds - due to him playing in the USHL. Take a look at this year's U-18... Did Parfenov ever use Zharkov the way he is FINALLY using him? NO! Zharkie is on PP and PK.

As for Dikushin playing in the USHL vs the CHL - he is only 17 - not eligible for the CHL import draft yet. He will be fine in the CHL.

As for the "Russian" developement style - what happened to Apalkov, Gogolev, Grigorenko? Look at the U-18 team - majority of the players had a similar skillset to Zharkov's - who is a more polished player now???

I don't want to knock any system, but at 16, a player is fully developed as far as his "dangle" game is concerned - time to start polishing up habbits and certain aspects of the game. That's where NA comes in.

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WHAT?! Zharkov and Dikushin are playing against a MUCH older competition, then they would have played in Russia in a defensively-minded league (USHL, Zharkov playED)... What's the usual knock on Russian forwards? "Crappy defensively" - Zharkov was able to improve his D to a point where it is not a major concern. "Finally starting to look like he did in Russia"? I sure hope not - his skating, his shot, his physicality has improved by leaps and bounds - due to him playing in the USHL. Take a look at this year's U-18... Did Parfenov ever use Zharkov the way he is FINALLY using him? NO! Zharkie is on PP and PK.

As for Dikushin playing in the USHL vs the CHL - he is only 17 - not eligible for the CHL import draft yet. He will be fine in the CHL.

As for the "Russian" developement style - what happened to Apalkov, Gogolev, Grigorenko? Look at the U-18 team - majority of the players had a similar skillset to Zharkov's - who is a more polished player now???
Apalkov is a good prospect and is playing for Lokomotiv Jaroslav and was pretty good at U20 either. Gogolev is in WHL, so i dont get a point what were you saying?

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WHAT?! Zharkov and Dikushin are playing against a MUCH older competition,
Incorrect. The competition in the MHL is older than USHL.



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then they would have played in Russia in a defensively-minded league (USHL, Zharkov playED)... What's the usual knock on Russian forwards? "Crappy defensively" - Zharkov was able to improve his D to a point where it is not a major concern. "Finally starting to look like he did in Russia"? I sure hope not - his skating, his shot, his physicality has improved by leaps and bounds - due to him playing in the USHL. Take a look at this year's U-18... Did Parfenov ever use Zharkov the way he is FINALLY using him? NO! Zharkie is on PP and PK.

As for Dikushin playing in the USHL vs the CHL - he is only 17 - not eligible for the CHL import draft yet. He will be fine in the CHL.

As for the "Russian" developement style - what happened to Apalkov, Gogolev, Grigorenko? Look at the U-18 team - majority of the players had a similar skillset to Zharkov's - who is a more polished player now???

I don't want to knock any system, but at 16, a player is fully developed as far as his "dangle" game is concerned - time to start polishing up habbits and certain aspects of the game. That's where NA comes in.
I don't understand half of what you're trying to say.

Anyhow, of all the former Soviet-state players to ever play in the USHL (since mid 1990s), a grand total of only 1 has made the NHL.
And considering these guys play there to get a head start on an NHL career, that's a HORRIBLE track record.

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Anyhow, of all the former Soviet-state players to ever play in the USHL (since mid 1990s), a grand total of only 1 has made the NHL.
who is this one lucky fellow If you don't mind me asking?

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who is this one lucky fellow If you don't mind me asking?
Ruslan Fedotenko.

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Ruslan Fedotenko.
he isnt even russian

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