I know both players can get called on the penalty and dive sometimes but is it possible to call the dive and nothing else?
If so why don't the refs just start calling Kesler and the canucks are strictly just diving? They would prob stop doing it if they are leaving their team short handed every time they try it.
I thought they were getting away from calling both at one time, but given how I didn't know that you can be 6 feet off-side I guess I just don't know the rules anymore.
Kesler should have got a 2 minute goalie interference penalty and a 2 minute diving penalty (with the goal being waved off). If the refs made the correct call on that one play it probably would have set the tone for the whole series sending a meassage that the Canucks cheating antics would be met with zero tolerance. Shame it didn't happen.
Why are fines not being doled out with regularity????
$5000 first time offender. Goes up 100% each time you are caught.
Samuelsson going down, and staying down while the trainer comes over and tends to him? That's bush league bull ****, and I wouldn't mind seeing a 20 game suspension for that.
Why are fines not being doled out with regularity????
$5000 first time offender. Goes up 100% each time you are caught.
Samuelsson going down, and staying down while the trainer comes over and tends to him? That's bush league bull ****, and I wouldn't mind seeing a 20 game suspension for that.
Fines for diving are kept behind close doors. Unless the player starts complaining which generally results in additional fines.
Fines for diving are kept behind close doors. Unless the player starts complaining which generally results in additional fines.
I'll never understand why this is. Public shaming should be a part of the process to get diving out of the game. Public fines to Kesler and Herik after last game would have been an embarrassment to the Canucks, and would go a very long way in stoping their disgraceful antics. They way they play hockey is an embarrassment for the league, but I guess head office is satisfied with the status quo.
I'll never understand why this is. Public shaming should be a part of the process to get diving out of the game. Public fines to Kesler and Herik after last game would have been an embarrassment to the Canucks, and would go a very long way in stoping their disgraceful antics. They way they play hockey is an embarrassment for the league, but I guess head office is satisfied with the status quo.
Well given that the players didn't get much in the CBA this is something that they got. It is what it is and I really don't think this is something the NHL is going to try change. Bigger issues to deal with.
Well given that the players didn't get much in the CBA this is something that they got. It is what it is and I really don't think this is something the NHL is going to try change. Bigger issues to deal with.
That's what I figured, which is too bad. I guess the refs calling a straight dive on the Nucks would be a start.
I know both players can get called on the penalty and dive sometimes but is it possible to call the dive and nothing else?
If so why don't the refs just start calling Kesler and the canucks are strictly just diving? They would prob stop doing it if they are leaving their team short handed every time they try it.
You can insert Dustin Brown in there, just to be fair.
Diving is tough to call, due to the speed of the game and the fact that the ref only has one angle to view the play.
IMO, they should begin giving suspensions for dives for plays that are reviewed after the fact.
True, and I agree they need to be a lot tougher and more public about it.
Players can change the outcome of a game with their soccer antics and right now there's nothing in the rulebook with strong enough repurcussions to match that sort of thing. Kinda like when Bure tried to kill Churla with a flying elbow and all the nhl said was "there's nothing in the rulebook that allows for a stronger penalty than a $500 fine because there wasn't a penalty called on the play". Meanwhile Pavel was making $192,000 every 2 weeks... That's like a $7.80 fine for someone who makes $3,000/two weeks.
Diving is tough to call, due to the speed of the game and the fact that the ref only has one angle to view the play.
IMO, they should begin giving suspensions for dives for plays that are reviewed after the fact.
It should, at the very least, be about reputation. If you're going into a game to ref the Vancouver Canucks, you better be 100% sure that you most definitely saw a penalty before you call it. No benefit of the doubt for known divers. You saw a player swing his stick in front of a Canucks face, but did you actually see it make contact? No? Then no call. Even if that's because they were facing the other direction, and you're 95% sure it probably hit him.
We saw a ridiculous string of non-calls against the Oilers in the latter half of the season... how do the Canucks manage to continue to get calls? It is baffling.
Refs review footage of teams before they ref the game (in the playoffs) and they have clips of calls the made or did not make sent to them by the league after they ref games. We know this, it's documented if you watch any videos or what have you on how reffing in the NHL works (sorry no links handy). These guys must be learning disabled.
The quality of the refereeing in the NHL is at an all time low. We're seeing missed calls altering the outcome of games already in the playoffs. This is yet another facet of that problem... Vancouver keeps diving because it works and it never has any repercussions.
I hate the NHL and it's refs just as much as I hate the Canucks; it's a poorly run organization and they enable this stuff to happen so they are just as much at fault.
They've already stopped calling far more obvious penalties than diving, so I wouldn't expect them to do anything to punish diving. It would have to be something from the league and would probably have to video review after the game is over.
Diving is tough to call, due to the speed of the game and the fact that the ref only has one angle to view the play.
IMO, they should begin giving suspensions for dives for plays that are reviewed after the fact.
Yeah, agreed. If the NHL wants to show that diving is shameful and has no place in the game, public fines and suspensions should be issued for blatant diving. If there is a small chance of taking a two minute penalty (or more likely coincidentals), players will just see it as a legit tactic to help them win.
Yeah, agreed. If the NHL wants to show that diving is shameful and has no place in the game, public fines and suspensions should be issued for blatant diving. If there is a small chance of taking a two minute penalty (or more likely coincidentals), players will just see it as a legit tactic to help them win.
This will never happen. The number one rule in preserving the public image of the sport is to not acknowledge that diving even exists.
If it ever gets addressed, it will be in a way that doesn't explicitly acknowledge incidences.
Kesler is just an absolute joke out there. The guy has been in the league for how many years now?..and he's still doing these antics. I couldn't believe the little somersault he did at center ice in game 1 when Richards knocked him down.
