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The NCAA: A Cartel?

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04-13-2012, 05:09 PM
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To the bolded: Absolutely. There are very, very, very, very, very few high school kids who could play in the NFL. Maybe one every few years that might make it without dying. Football players truly need college.
Even in basketball....there has been more busts than guys like Bryant coming out of HS.

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I don't think we're arguing the same points.
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Really? For every Kobe Bryant there is a Travis Outlaw. The biggest problem? Physically. You want a skinny 18 year old kid to go against a 30 year old? Especially in the NFL, young players would absolutely get mauled. There is a huge gap between 18 and 22 (when players are generally drafted). Not to mention there is the maturity factor. There was a huge reason why the NBA decided to not draft players out of high school.
Look at 18 year old Maurice Clarett or Adrian Peterson, the running backs who dominated at Ohio State in 2002 and Oklahoma in 2004. Just because this applies most of the time doesn't mean it applies all of the time; either way, you're passing a law to save people from themselves. Also not sure how Sidney Crosby manages to handle himself as an 18 year old in the NHL while Adrian Peterson, who was bigger and stronger by every metric, couldn't have done the same in the NFL.

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Not to mention salary caps. You want to give an 18 year old 20 million dollars?
That's a GM's problem. If I were a GM, I would have to evaluate the risk/reward for each individual player. If I saw a high schooler Michael Kidd-Gilchrist or Tim Tebow, I would probably make with the cash; others I would not trust to make the jump in terms of talent, physical ability and maturity. Which is why lesser players would be well-served to accept Duke's offer and spend a couple years developing their games in the NCAA.
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If they don't want to get a free education, then don't be complaining about they aren't getting paid. It's a bartering system and a smart one. It sure as hell does matter if Pryor would get in academically. Just because someone is gifted athletically, does that mean they should be superior to those gifted academically?
We're not arguing the same point; offering Terrelle Pryor something he couldn't get otherwise (an Ohio State education if he chooses to stick around all 4-5 years) isn't an excuse for offering something he doesn't want as much as, and that isn't as valuable as, cash. Even the highest-end private university education is worth ... $40k a year? The lowest-end contracts in Major League Soccer are less, but the NBA and NFL aren't allowed to pay anyone anything close to that little. When an internet upstart offers its first employees stock options instead of cash, they are free to choose that or choose to work for another, comparable company that offers cash. If a fictitious Internet Companies Coalition decreed that it was illegal for any computer / internet / information technology employee with less than 5 years experience to be paid cash ... that they all had to be paid with stock options and free mittens ... that would be collusion and it would be illegal.

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Look at 18 year old Maurice Clarett or Adrian Peterson, the running backs who dominated at Ohio State in 2002 and Oklahoma in 2004. Just because this applies most of the time doesn't mean it applies all of the time; either way, you're passing a law to save people from themselves. Also not sure how Sidney Crosby manages to handle himself as an 18 year old in the NHL while Adrian Peterson, who was bigger and stronger by every metric, couldn't have done the same in the NFL.
They would have gotten mauled in the NFL. You think an 18 year old Peterson would go well against a 29 year old Ray Lewis? They are still raw. They might dominate in college but they wouldn't be able to do what they do in the NFL. There has been a lot of 'gifted' athletes that dominate college but get destroyed in the NFL.

Because the NFL is a lot different than the NHL? I mean come on. You think soccer is the same as hockey?

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That's a GM's problem. If I were a GM, I would have to evaluate the risk/reward for each individual player.
As well with the PA's of each league.

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We're not arguing the same point; offering Terrelle Pryor something he couldn't get otherwise (an Ohio State education if he chooses to stick around all 4-5 years) isn't an excuse for offering something he doesn't want as much as, and that isn't as valuable as, cash.
An education is as valuable as cash?

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Even the highest-end private university education is worth ... $40k a year?
A lot more than that.

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The lowest-end contracts in Major League Soccer are less, but the NBA and NFL aren't allowed to pay anyone anything close to that little. When an internet upstart offers its first employees stock options instead of cash, they are free to choose that or choose to work for another, comparable company that offers cash.
Except that's a company. Schools aren't companies. I mean why not offer cash to high school students? They bring in as much to their high schools as college students. What about middle schoolers?

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An education is as valuable as cash?
I don't think it is. Not when you have a very short window (10-15 years best-case) to make that cash.
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A lot more than that.
How much more? What's a year of tuition at a private U that plays big-time sports like Miami or Duke?
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Except that's a company. Schools aren't companies. I mean why not offer cash to high school students? They bring in as much to their high schools as college students. What about middle schoolers?
Middle school students aren't adults. 18 is legal adulthood in the United States, where you can sign contracts and are no longer required to attend school.

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