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Fact: Brisebois has 2 years experience as an Assistant General Manager.

Fenton has three times as much experience. Fenton also has more experience than Brisebois in hockey operations.

More importantly, look at their current track record in the NHL, Brisebois & Yzerman failed pretty hard in their talent assesment this past year, kind of like how Gauthier failed hard this year.

He learnt the same broken model as Gauthier did under Gainey.
Yeah well people are not stupid and they do have a mind of their own..... I am sure he is not calling Gainey each time he needs to take a crap.

Julien BriseBois enters his second season as assistant general manger of the Tampa Bay Lightning after being named to the position on July 16, 2010. He reports directly to Vice President and General Manager Steve Yzerman and assists him in all aspects of contract preparation and negotiation, salary arbitration and player transactions for the Lightning and the Norfolk Admirals of the American Hockey League, for whom he also serves as general manager where the Admirals enter Tuesday night action riding a 22-game winning streak. BriseBois also manages interpretation of the NHL's collective bargaining agreement and the salary cap for Tampa Bay.

BriseBois, 34, spent the previous nine seasons with the Montreal Canadiens after joining the organization on September 1, 2001 as Director of Legal Affairs. In July of 2003 he added Director of Hockey Operations to his duties before being named Vice President of Hockey Operations on July 24, 2006. On August 23, 2007 BriseBois was named the general manager of Montreal’s top affiliate, the Hamilton Bulldogs of the AHL, making him the youngest in the league at the time. During that time he retained his position with the Canadiens. The Bulldogs improved in each year under BriseBois’ tenure, going from 36-34-10 in 2007-08 to 52-17-11 in 2009-10. In three seasons under his guidance Hamilton went 137-78-25.


Twist it any which way, at the end of the day, this guy is as qualified as Fenton... if not more.


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Anyone know how has Craig MacTavish done in the AHL?
I'd love MacT. The guy was keeping that **** team in playoff contention, they just had 3 straight 1st overalls after he left.

Doesn't speak French though.

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Fact: Brisebois has 2 years experience as an Assistant General Manager.

Fenton has three times as much experience. Fenton also has more experience than Brisebois in hockey operations.

More importantly, look at their current track record in the NHL, Brisebois & Yzerman failed pretty hard in their talent assesment this past year, kind of like how Gauthier failed hard this year.

He learnt the same broken model as Gauthier did under Gainey.
You cannot downplay natural abilities though. Let's not forget that BriseBois has been involved with the Habs for 10 years. That also counts for something. Because he worked under Gainey and/or Gauthier does not mean in any way, shape or form, that he is like them. We can argue the credentials of any candidate until we're blue in the face, the fact remains that the ONLY way to determine how competent they are, what their philosophy is, would be through extensive job interview.

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Twist it any which way, at the end of the day, this guy is as qualified as Fenton... if not more.
Your the one trying to twist facts.

Fact: Fenton has 6 years experience asan Assistant GM
Fact: BriseBois has 2 years

Fact: Fenton has an additional 8 years as Head of Player Development
Fact: Brisebois has an additional 7 years as Head of Player Development

Fact: Fenton has an additional 5 years as Head Pro Scout in Anaheim where he was integral in drafting legit stars.

He is more experience than BriseBois unless you use crazy Sargent Pepper dilussional math.

What exactly don't you like about Fenton?

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Your the one trying to twist facts.

Fact: Fenton has 6 years experience asan Assistant GM
Fact: BriseBois has 2 years

Fact: Fenton has an additional 8 years as Head of Player Development
Fact: Brisebois has an additional 7 years as Head of Player Development

Fact: Fenton has an additional 5 years as Head Pro Scout in Anaheim where he was integral in drafting legit stars.

He is more experience than BriseBois unless you use crazy Sargent Pepper dilussional math.

What exactly don't you like about Fenton?
Probably the same reason he doesn't like most candidates

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Your the one trying to twist facts.

Fact: Fenton has 6 years experience asan Assistant GM
Fact: BriseBois has 2 years

Fact: Fenton has an additional 8 years as Head of Player Development
Fact: Brisebois has an additional 7 years as Head of Player Development

Fact: Fenton has an additional 5 years as Head Pro Scout in Anaheim where he was integral in drafting legit stars.

He is more experience than BriseBois unless you use crazy Sargent Pepper dilussional math.

What exactly don't you like about Fenton?
If his name was Paul Fenouille, he wouldn't be having this argument with you.

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The inmates run the asylum in Vancouver. Vigneault is not the answer. He has top talent, but cannot get his guys to peak at the right time. Chicago series last year should tell you everything you need to know about how over-rated of a coach he is. I do not touch Vigneault with a 10 foot pole. The media will eat him alive here with how he whines and makes excuses for his teams when they underperform.
That is exactly what I am trying to say. Not the best option, he is not a bad coach, but not what Habs need.

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Your the one trying to twist facts.

Fact: Fenton has 6 years experience asan Assistant GM
Fact: BriseBois has 2 years

Fact: Fenton has an additional 8 years as Head of Player Development
Fact: Brisebois has an additional 7 years as Head of Player Development

Fact: Fenton has an additional 5 years as Head Pro Scout in Anaheim where he was integral in drafting legit stars.

He is more experience than BriseBois unless you use crazy Sargent Pepper dilussional math.

What exactly don't you like about Fenton?
You left out that Brisebois has 5 very successful years as GM of Hamilton and Norfolk....His teams progress tremendously under his tutelage. He is also a very educated man with a degree in Law and an MBA (Neither degree are easy to acquire). He is not in the mould of the old guard unlike Fenton. He was 9 years in Montreal so he has an in-depth understanding of our organization and of the market we operate in. Finally, he is bilingual....

But if his name was Crackwood, we would not be having this discussion.....

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I am beginning to think it doesn't even matter which coach they pick, he is just going to be driven out by the media and the fans within 3 years anyways.

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You left out that Brisebois has 5 very successful years as GM of Hamilton and Norfolk....His teams progress tremendously under his tutelage. He is also a very educated man with a degree in Law and an MBA (Neither degree are easy to acquire). He is not in the mould of the old guard unlike Fenton. He was 9 years in Montreal so he has an in-depth understanding of our organization and of the market we operate in. Finally, he is bilingual....

But if his name was Crackwood, we would not be having this discussion.....
Paul Fenton played in the NHL, a league that only the best of players can play in. He knows what talent it takes to make this league.

He is the GM of the Milwaukee Admirals, so he has more experience at the AHL level like Brisebois. Go see their record under Fenton, very impressive.

Finally, he might not be as educated as Brisebois, but guess who else wasn't educated? Serge Savard, your idol.

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The inmates run the asylum in Vancouver. Vigneault is not the answer. He has top talent, but cannot get his guys to peak at the right time. Chicago series last year should tell you everything you need to know about how over-rated of a coach he is. I do not touch Vigneault with a 10 foot pole. The media will eat him alive here with how he whines and makes excuses for his teams when they underperform.
Although I agree with your points on Vigneault and Vancouver, if Vigneault does get relieved of his duties in Vancouver he's still heads and shoulders above the current crop of available bilingual coaching candidates to the Habs.

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You left out that Brisebois has 5 very successful years as GM of Hamilton and Norfolk....His teams progress tremendously under his tutelage. He is also a very educated man with a degree in Law and an MBA (Neither degree are easy to acquire). He is not in the mould of the old guard unlike Fenton. He was 9 years in Montreal so he has an in-depth understanding of our organization and of the market we operate in. Finally, he is bilingual....

But if his name was Crackwood, we would not be having this discussion.....
I never left it out, I included it as part of his 7 years as Head of Player development, a role in which Fenton has more experience in than BriseBois does.

Also Fenton is hardly "old guard".


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Paul Fenton played in the NHL, a league that only the best of players can play in. He knows what talent it takes to make this league.

He is the GM of the Milwaukee Admirals, so he has experience at the AHL level like Brisebois.

Finally, he might not be as educated as Brisebois, but guess who else wasn't educated? Serge Savard, your idol.
Exactly, Fenton is in the mold of what we are trying to get away from. Ex NHL players with past NHL mentality who only knows what they learned in the small world of the NHL because they been trapped in that world all their lives....

Brisebois brings worldly common sense, an openness to opinion from others, a team first approach with a strong and decisive approach and direction. Join to him a Carriere and perhaps a Mackasey and we have the team required to rebuild the Habs with a forward looking organization.

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Although I agree with your points on Vigneault and Vancouver, if Vigneault does get relieved of his duties in Vancouver he's still heads and shoulders above the current crop of available bilingual coaching candidates to the Habs.
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Brisebois brings worldly common sense, an openness to opinion from others, a team first approach with a strong and decisive approach and direction. Join to him a Carriere and perhaps a Mackasey and we have the team required to rebuild the Habs with a forward looking organization.
I'm curious where your drawing your opinion of BrisBois from? Have you ever heard players say positive things about him? Or are you just totally making up your opinion to match your fantasy?

Below we have 2 comments from ex players who talk negatively about him.

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This is an excerpt from my previous post, forwarding the benefits of knowledge as provided to me by 2 ex-players:

"Ex-player #1 was in the Montreal organization for several years. Back in January, we talked about his perspective on the Habs organization. Here is what he shared:


3. He had absolutely zero respect for Brisebois (this was January,2012 remember), who he called " a lawyer and pencil pusher, not a very good communicator" and that he had "no ability to assess hockey talent".

Ex-player#2 played in the NHL several years ago, NOT for the Habs. He remains well connected into the several organizations because he had a 10 year career in the NHL and AHL. As he is approximately 40 years old, many of his former teammates are now coaching and managing at the NHL,AHL and ECHL levels.

When I asked him last week about Brisebois, he said he would be an awful choice because JB would be: "Gauthier The Second". Independent of ex-player #1, he said " he is just not a hockey guy...he is a lawyer". Briseobois is viewed as not having much of a personality. The reason Yzerman brought him to Tampa Bay is that Stevie Y is "not a numbers guy" and the one thing JB has going for him is that he is a capologist.
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That doesn't sound like a guy I want anywhere near my favourite team. Do you really want someone like that running your favourite team? For real?

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Other than the most basic of biographical information and maybe the odd comment on that person's character found in the media we know next to nothing about these candidates. It's pretty much impossible to assess how any of these guys would run a team based on how little we know.

I find it strange that people can argue with such certainty about the way any given candidate would run this team.

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I'm curious where your drawing your opinion of BrisBois from? Have you ever heard players say positive things about him? Or are you just totally making up your opinion to match your fantasy?

Below we have 2 comments from ex players who talk negatively about him.



That doesn't sound like a guy I want anywhere near my favourite team. Do you really want someone like that running your favourite team? For real?
All you have here is hearsay. Who knows if it is even factual and what context surrounds that if it was factual. Was the plaintif not getting the contract he thought he disearved and Brisebois served the organization well in that negotiation? Who knows... If that is a real story, why did the poster not ran with it and publish it? This is a post on this site, not a matter of public record.

Do your research on Brisebois, the fact is that he is highly regarded and praised by the community.

Heck, even the National Post ran an article stating that Brisebois should be the GM of the organization. The very anti francophone National Post that is.....

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Other than the most basic of biographical information and maybe the odd comment on that person's character found in the media we know next to nothing about these candidates. It's pretty much impossible to assess how any of these guys would run a team based on how little we know.

I find it strange that people can argue with such certainty about the way any given candidate would run this team.
While there may be some merit to that, Brisebois was 9 years in the Habs organization. He is not an unknown quantity by any means....


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All you have here is hearsay. Who knows if it is even factual and what context surrounds that if it was factual. Was the plaintif not getting the contract he thought he disearved and Brisebois served the organization well in that negotiation? Who knows... This is a post on this site. Do your research on Brisebois, the fact is that he is highly regarded and praised by the community.
Hearsay is better than your made up dillusions. The fact is, you can't dig up even any hearsay from players about him that say good things. That should tell you something.

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Hearsay is better than your made up dillusions. The fact is, you can't dig up even any hearsay from players about him that say good things. That should tell you something.
Hear say and posts found on this board does not constitute facts by any means. If that is what you have, then you really have nothing on Brisebois including no objectivity if those posts serves in anyway to make your mind on him....Perhaps because you have failed to even look him up and make a true assessment....

I can respect that you prefer another candidate (and lets pretend that it has nothing to do with anything but preference) but to make up facts or to used posts from a board and present them as facts just to dirty up a candidate is frankly low....


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The Milwaukee Admirals are consistently a playoff AHL club... I think that warrants some respect, no?

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I am beginning to think it doesn't even matter which coach they pick, he is just going to be driven out by the media and the fans within 3 years anyways.
Not Roy, people will defend Roy no matter what he does.

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Hear say and posts found on this board does not constitute facts by any means. If that is what you have, then you really have nothing on Brisebois including no objectivity if those posts serves in anyway to make your mind on him....Perhaps because you have failed to even look him up and make a true assessment....

I can respect that you prefer another candidate (and lets pretend that it has nothing to do with anything but preference) but to make up facts or to used posts from a board and present them as facts just to dirty up a candidate is frankly low....
Where did I make up facts? I never did, I never claimed them to be facts. I merely repeated them as hearsay. The fact is, there is no positive hearsay about BrisBois from players.

Whenever I've posted Facts:, I've made them very clearly to be facts. I presented hearsay as hearsay.

Once again, you are the one trying to twist things while claiming its the other people. Where did I claim hearsay was facts?

Fact: I did not claim hearsay were facts

Fact: there is no positive hearsay from players about Brisbois in this thread.


Those are facts. They are undeniably provable.

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Where did I make up facts? I never did, I never claimed them to be facts. I merely repeated them as hearsay. The fact is, there is no positive hearsay about BrisBois from players.

Whenever I've posted Facts:, I've made them very clearly to be facts. I presented hearsay as hearsay.

Once again, you are the one trying to twist things while claiming its the other people. Where did I claim hearsay was facts?

Fact: I did not claim hearsay were facts

Fact: there is no positive hearsay from players about Brisbois in this thread.


Those are facts. They are undeniably provable.
Here are facts. Credible and highly regarded organization and people speaking of Brisebois and the Habs GM position....


and here is the National Post story that I refereed to earlier. - http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/...diens-next-gm/

And another one on Brisebois - http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/201...the-big-chair/

Even the respected Liam McGuire is weighting in... http://liammaguiresultimatehockey.co...erre-gauthier/

In here, Carbonneau choose Brisebois as well - http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hoc...-brisebois.php

Heck, even Yzerman praised Brisebois and stated he would make a very successful GM - http://legrandclub.rds.ca/profils/60.../129658/public

I doubt these people are all wrong and ill-informed? I keep looking for similar praise for Fenton but came up empty.....

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