As that is where he has been slotted most of his career....and played the best during that time....then yes, it does make sense.
My point is, prior to this year, he hasn't played any other positions to compare with (like he has this year), so of course he has been his best there, by default.
Bolland isn't good enough offensively at center to be in the top 6 AND he is a checking center specialist so he obviously belongs on line 3.
I agree that defense is important. Are you saying our 3rd line is incapable of playing good defense if Shaw is replaced by Krueger?
But, you know what's even more important than putting a good 3rd line together, making sure our best players are put in the best position to succeed. That means playing the proper positions and being with the right linemates. Or do you think those needs are less important than fielding a good 3rd line?
Bolland is good enough to be our 2nd line Center. Bolland is just better used as the main shutdown Center and not on the 2nd scoring line.
Our 3rd line will be good with Krüger or Shaw, but why change what is working? I hear all year long that Q needs to stop the line juggeling, now that he does it's wrong again
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I'm not going to get into yet another Kruger debate, but Kruger did play in the playoffs last season (and was quickly pulled), so it wasn't his first playoff game. And while that line was "lights out" as you put it, to be more accurate, Sharp and Stalberg were "lights out" and Kruger was largely invisible.
His game isn't there yet. He shouldn't be Top 6 in the playoffs.
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With all due respect to Kruger, he was not the catalyst of the second line while Toews was out. Sharp and Stalberg were great... Kruger was just there. He wasn't bad, obviously, but taking him off of that line in favor of, say, Toews (and moving Kane back to center) seems like the best route to go for the Hawks.
I think that this line worked because Sharp used the created space from Stalberg and he knew that he can play more offensiv oriented because Krüger will cover up for them (or at least try it).
This line worked well because of all 3 players with Sharp being the most important guy with Stalberg 2nd and Krüger 3rd that was a good 3rd guy for them. Now in the POs, Sharp had a bad game, Stalberg wasn't good and Krüger was Krüger
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Reuniting BiBoFro?
We can all dream but I'd rather have Kruger than Frolik on the third line.
I thought about that too. I just don't see Q sitting Bollig now after playing him in game 1. Maybe he found out that Bollig is not useful in the POs because you don't have those "show" fights
My point is, prior to this year, he hasn't played any other positions to compare with (like he has this year), so of course he has been his best there, by default.
I'm saying over his career, that's where he's played his best hockey. Didn't he play LW for a while in 2010 on a line with Toews and Byfuglien in the playoffs? Maybe not, but I do remember those three being together.
Of course Kane has played more positions than RW, he's played all three forward positions. I was trying to emphasize that the position he's played best in his career is, da da da da! Right wing.
I'm saying over his career, that's where he's played his best hockey. Didn't he play LW for a while in 2010 on a line with Toews and Byfuglien in the playoffs? Maybe not, but I do remember those three being together.
Of course Kane has played more positions than RW, he's played all three forward positions. I was trying to emphasize that the position he's played best in his career is, da da da da! Right wing.
I seem to remember short stints where they'd try to roll with kane/hossa/toews on one line and it never lasted long since neither kane nor hossa want to play on the left.
Bolland is good enough to be our 2nd line Center. Bolland is just better used as the main shutdown Center and not on the 2nd scoring line.
Our 3rd line will be good with Krüger or Shaw, but why change what is working? I hear all year long that Q needs to stop the line juggeling, now that he does it's wrong again
so you think its ok to juggle the top line, but not the 3rd? You make no sense.
According to your "logic" he should've kept Brunette with Hossa and Kane since that line was playing great for the past month. Or does your "logic" only apply to line 3?
so you think its ok to juggle the top line, but not the 3rd? You make no sense.
According to your "logic" he should've kept Brunette with Hossa and Kane since that line was playing great for the past month. Or does your "logic" only apply to line 3?
since Q did what I've said, I think my logic isn't that far away.
Your logic was the wrong logic, not mine. He didn't juggle the Top line. He put Toews back into the lineup and Bruno was the guy that needed to go out of the Top6.
When your Defensiv line is good, you don't change it
I was at the bar last night watching game #2 and the Hawks fan to my right was talking about how Kane isn't allowed to flourish in the Hawks system like Toews.
He then asked me if the Hawks get bounced out of the playoffs because of goaltending is it time to trade a core guy to get a young franchise goaltender that we could have for 7-8 years? I said I have no problem trading a core piece, but not for a goalie.
Then the guy (Hawks fan) asks me who would I trade? I said Patrick Kane. He said he would trade Toe's and he pronounced it Toe's not TaaV-ZZ. I thought it was good that some Chicago fans like Kane's skillset over Toews two-way play.
Overall glad that we have Toews as captain, but also glad that people like Kane the all-American kid. It would be hard to part ways with either of them. Glad that we have them both here in Chicago. Sure we may upgrade a position in a trade, but chances are we are better with both guys remaining Hawks.
since Q did what I've said, I think my logic isn't that far away.
Your logic was the wrong logic, not mine. He didn't juggle the Top line. He put Toews back into the lineup and Bruno was the guy that needed to go out of the Top6.
When your Defensiv line is good, you don't change it
Since Q is a moron, your logic speaks for itself.
And since Shaw was out of the game, we'll never know if it would've been Shaw that got moved up midgame instead of Brunette.
And since Shaw was out of the game, we'll never know if it would've been Shaw that got moved up midgame instead of Brunette.
Q has taken Krüger away from the Top 6 because he isn't ready for this yet. He put Bruno back to Kane and Bruno. He will not break up that 3rd line unless he need to
When Sharp was in Philly he played both center and winger, but he was always much better as a center and didn't get "his game" to work as a winger (which, with Carter, Richards and Umberger coming up behind Forsberg, Primeau and Handzus most certainly is why we traded him).
But these days he is that much better as a winger than a center that you'd rather re-educate Kane to play center than having Sharp playing center?
I'm just wondering. Can you give me an estimate on how much Sharp has played as a center and how much as a winger for each of his seasons since his breakthrough, meaning his 5 last seasons if you're including this one? 07-08 and after. Is it only as a winger he has put up these great numbers? Has he played center at all? Did he play center his first 2 seasons before his numbers burst out?
Just wondering because I don't like Kane as a center at all from what I've seen. He's talented enough to make it work, but I can't see him being the possible 90-point player I can see him being at wing. The defense doesn't come natural enough so he has to focus waay to much energy on D. I want him in a free RW role with a defensively talented and responsible center like Toews or Bolland.
But I only watch a few Chicago games every year so I might be way off. All his great seasons and playoffs has been purely playing RW at least.
