Well, that's what a lot of people said about Marchand before he broke out, and knight by all accounts has better individual offensive skill than marchy
Really??? Having seen Knight play on exactly 2 occasions, it appears he does it all on heart and absolute determination with some nice skill mixed in, I`d argue (again, with a very small Knight sample size) that Marchand`s overall skill level is higher
Really??? Having seen Knight play on exactly 2 occasions, it appears he does it all on heart and absolute determination with some nice skill mixed in, I`d argue (again, with a very small Knight sample size) that Marchand`s overall skill level is higher
Now it might be, but at the same age I don't remember Marchand having the shot, nose for the net, and hands that Knight does already. I'd love a few extra opinions on this one though
Now it might be, but at the same age I don't remember Marchand having the shot, nose for the net, and hands that Knight does already. I'd love a few extra opinions on this one though
Have a peeksy at some of his Junior goals if you can find em`, most specifically, his WJHC clutch one`s, the knock on Marchand was attitude and size, not skill set.
Again, haven`t seen Knight, but everything I have read here (from the few that I trust and whom have watched him intently) and read, tells me, the kid has skills, but it isn`t his skillset that has Chia and Co excited, it`s his drive to do whatever it takes, Marchand wasn`t as willing in the latter category as a Junior, but he had great skills.
OOG/Kirk and a few others have seen the kid play a ton, they`ll fill us in
Well, that's what a lot of people said about Marchand before he broke out, and knight by all accounts has better individual offensive skill than marchy
I'm with Kirk on this one as well. Not sure I can agree with it.
Well, that's what a lot of people said about Marchand before he broke out, and knight by all accounts has better individual offensive skill than marchy
Marchand had better numbers in the juniors and was regarded as one of the best, during the 2006-07 season in the playoffs he put up 40 pts in the playoffs. He was great and was selected to Canada's World Juniors. Season after he got traded to one of the best teams in the Q in Halifax but things didn't work out with him and his head coach. Marchand was a steal at round 3 by the Bruins
Well fwiw, it's knight's drive to do whatever it takes that has me excited too, I just happen to think he can be a top 6 guy on the bruins - people doubting that need to remember how our top 6 operates
Well, that's what a lot of people said about Marchand before he broke out, and knight by all accounts has better individual offensive skill than marchy
WOW...How do you come up with those gems...
Talking about Knight like you've seen the guy play day in day out... really!!
Really??? Having seen Knight play on exactly 2 occasions, it appears he does it all on heart and absolute determination with some nice skill mixed in, I`d argue (again, with a very small Knight sample size) that Marchand`s overall skill level is higher
I talked to 23 people and it came down to 11 Marchand, 11 Knight. Thankfully it was recycle day and I asked the 'can guy as opposed to the plastic guy' LaFong who was better and at first it sounded like Marshmont but I could not accept that, so I asked him whats the opposite of day and he said Knight and the tie was broken.
[QUOTE=Alycat;47809015]What is Knight going to have to do for you to change your mind on him?
Jared gives 110% on and off the ice. YES
Just because a player doesn't produce the way you want him to doesn't mean you write him off. Read my posts on this thread. I've never written him off.
He's better than Fata and Kadri. Exactly what I said. They weren't a comparison for literal purposes.
No one has blinders on when it comes to him. Some do. Some don't.
I guarantee that if you watch him without any sort of bias or preconceived notions you will think differently. I don't watch him with any bias. I watch almost every Knights home game as a fan of them first. i.e. I want all of them to succeed. Kids who get drafted, I watch more closely to see what makes them that special.
Jared is a warrior. Yes.
Don't judge a book by a cover is the best analogy that fits this discussion. I would say that those who are unwilling to hear any conflicting views on JK are the ones judging.
You will not sway those of us that are staunch supporters of him. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. Just offering an opinion and information. It's yours to do with what you will. I enjoy reading differing opinions on players that I've never seen, so I hope people would do the same when it comes to JK.[/I]
To me, it seems like he's got some sort of agenda that is influencing his opinion.
He is the only one saying these things about Jared so it raises a few flags with those who have first hand knowledge of what's going on.
I'm all for a good discussion about players but you have to be able to answer why you feel that way about the player with more than an "I've seen him"
Well by "he" I assume you mean me. So here goes. If you think I have an agenda around JK because I offer an opinion on a hockey chat room board I would suggest you need to relax a little bit. Maybe nobody else cares enough about hockey prospects to post and they might/might not share my opinion. All part of the dance. Relax and enjoy.
First off, let me say that I'm a big fan of Knight and think he will be a solid NHL'er.
But I have to ask, why can't you guys/girls accept that someone has a different opinion on a player than you?
It's hilarious how every time someone criticizes Knight you guys have to go big rants about how you've talked to so and so and they say this and so and so says this. Yeah, we've heard it all and I'm sure there's scouts/coaches etc who aren't near as high on him. Don't act like he's a sure thing to be a 2nd or 3rd liner or even play in the league. In sports there is no such thing as a sure thing. I'm pretty sure that some of his defenders on here have never even seen him play Hockey. I personally think he becomes the level of player that Chris Kelly was this year but with more grit. Don't see him having the offence to be considered a top 6 forward but I would be happier than a pig in **** if he proves me wrong.
That is a good comparison in my opinion and I too hope we are proven wrong. Although to your first point I wasn't aware I was offering up info and opinion to be considered "right". LOL
19 goals in 37 playoff games for Knight. A little over .5 goals per game.
So, we can say what we want but at the end of the day, there isn't one prospect in Boston's system who has been able to find the back of the net in the postseason- aka crunch time- at the rate Knight has with more than 20 playoff games in jr.
Not. One. (Though Koko is close )
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Nevermind the rest- just pointless blather.
off topic on knight, i started thinking about marty karsums the other day. 23 goals in 43 career CHL playoff games. 10 in 22 career AHL playoff games. thought that guy was a no-doubter, high-end 3rd line winger who came up big when it counted. hopefully knight proves to be what karsums never became.
1st- His goal wasn't the only thing he did. However, being chosen one of the three stars in a hockey game isn't a reflection of a great performance every time. You've never laughed at the players chosen in various arenas for the three stars? Again, I'm not saying he didn't deserve it, but being one of the best Knights players in that game was not exactly a shining moment. It was one of the poorest performances by a Knights team I've seen in ten years.
2nd- Thanks for the video. I will try to watch all nine plus minutes of it when I get the chance. He has scored some great goals in his career and will continue to do so. You don't play hockey at this level without a certain level of talent and intangibles.
3rd- I will say it again. I am cheering for him. I'm just saying that he doesn't excite me as much as a prospect as it does some here. And while I'm not an insider, I believe my body of evidence of observation is much larger than most who post here when it comes to him. He should have torn the league apart this year, and didn't. Remember, everyone thought Rico Fata was going to be an NHL star. And Nazem Kadri for that matter. I like Knight as a player better than Kadri so it's not like I'm wearing some kind of blinders. All that being said, if I was a Leafs fan I'd be more worried about Greg McKegg's performance.
A couple questions....and dont take these the wrong way, just trying to get a handle on your opinion.
1- how often do you see him play? I see that you are from Canada so I am guessing you are basing your opinion on viewings.
2- based on your viewings what is it, in particular, that you arent excited about? Speed, skill, play away from the puck...etc. You get where I am coming from.
3- Rico Fata was a boom or bust at the time of his draft and it was well known. He had the wheels but not everything else...including, the fatal flaw, not a good hockey sense. Virtually no intangibles.
off topic on knight, i started thinking about marty karsums the other day. 23 goals in 43 career CHL playoff games. 10 in 22 career AHL playoff games. thought that guy was a no-doubter, high-end 3rd line winger who came up big when it counted. hopefully knight proves to be what karsums never became.
Inflated Q #'s?
I also had hope for him and watching his first year in Providence he showed the type of physical game needed for the NHL. He played too conservative in his call ups though and never amounted to anything. Oh well.
off topic on knight, i started thinking about marty karsums the other day. 23 goals in 43 career CHL playoff games. 10 in 22 career AHL playoff games. thought that guy was a no-doubter, high-end 3rd line winger who came up big when it counted. hopefully knight proves to be what karsums never became.
I like the Karsum's comparison, play a similar style of game, I do think Knights skating is better and that's what held Karsum's back, that Providence team from 5-6 years ago was a lot of fun to watch and hang around with
off topic on knight, i started thinking about marty karsums the other day. 23 goals in 43 career CHL playoff games. 10 in 22 career AHL playoff games. thought that guy was a no-doubter, high-end 3rd line winger who came up big when it counted. hopefully knight proves to be what karsums never became.
In my opinion, Karsums game was fatally flawed. He just lacked the speed to play at the NHL level. Third/fourth line players need to play up tempo, and he could never do that.
Knight, on the other hand, will be one of the fastest players on the team. At absolute worst, he will be a terrific fourth line player. Think Danny Paille, but way stronger, way more physical, and with a better shot.
Realistically, he will be a valuable third line player. I think there are valid concerns about his scoring proficiency though.
What ever happened to Matt bartowski? Is he still on providence? I haven't seen his name pop up and I know some people had high hopes for him at one point...
A couple questions....and dont take these the wrong way, just trying to get a handle on your opinion.
1- how often do you see him play? I see that you are from Canada so I am guessing you are basing your opinion on viewings.
2- based on your viewings what is it, in particular, that you arent excited about? Speed, skill, play away from the puck...etc. You get where I am coming from.
3- Rico Fata was a boom or bust at the time of his draft and it was well known. He had the wheels but not everything else...including, the fatal flaw, not a good hockey sense. Virtually no intangibles.
Thanks for the questions! Can't take them the wrong way as they are presented in a thoughtful manner! Here I go:
1. I have Knights season tix and have had for ten years. I have missed maybe 3% of the games over that time. I have likely seen him play almost all of his home games since he joined the team.
2. I am excited about his speed, determination and intangibles. I am not currently excited about his ability to create opportunities one on one or in situations where he doesn't have his speed as his asset. Look at the top six on most teams. That is a skill those players possess, either thru wild skill, or strength. He does go to the dirty areas. No issue there. I have stated in earlier posts that I believe he has an NHL future, I'm not sure it's top six at this point. Now he has the opportunity to go Dave Bolland, or he could be Rob Drummond (you may have to look him up, sorry). I'm not the only one who wonders about him, and was expecting more, as many fans I talk to at games mention it as well. I have never questioned his character, determination or off ice behaviour as some of the people here have stated. I am only stating what I see. Seth Griffith has a ton of goals etc., and has had a year where he has "stood out" more than Knight. That doesn't mean he will be a better pro. His skating won't get him there. I guess the one thing that concerns me is progression. He started out on a nice development curve leading me to believe he would be a dominant force this year. In my opinion, which is obviously not shared by many here, that has not been the case.
3. And for the record, I didn't like Fata as a Knight. Speed and no hockey sense. I feel JK will be a better player in the league than a guy like Kadri who I've always said has great hockey skills, but that doesn't make him a great hockey player.
What ever happened to Matt bartowski? Is he still on providence? I haven't seen his name pop up and I know some people had high hopes for him at one point...
Just not ready. Only in 2nd year out of college. Needs to keep it simple. Was playing well in Prov tho.
Great talent but not giving up on him. There's a reason he was a black ace and last one cut last year. Made opening night roster this year too.
He tore his meniscus and had surgery so that's why he's not playing
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I talked to 23 people and it came down to 11 Marchand, 11 Knight. Thankfully it was recycle day and I asked the 'can guy as opposed to the plastic guy' LaFong who was better and at first it sounded like Marshmont but I could not accept that, so I asked him whats the opposite of day and he said Knight and the tie was broken.
Knight it is
I'll take both, man I hope Knight comes as advertised, if so, gonna be a ton of fun to watch
Marchand starred for Canada at the WJCs for 2 years while Knight couldn't even make team USA
knight wouls have been the best forward on the USA team this year besides bjustad and coyle. the only teason he didnt make it was because he went to the CHL. he decommitted rom the US development program and michigan. USA tried to send a message to up and coming USA players that they wont be on the team if they ive their word to the program and then leave
off topic on knight, i started thinking about marty karsums the other day. 23 goals in 43 career CHL playoff games. 10 in 22 career AHL playoff games. thought that guy was a no-doubter, high-end 3rd line winger who came up big when it counted. hopefully knight proves to be what karsums never became.
Ah yes, the KKK Line: Krejci-Karsums-Kalus. Didn't work out the way we hoped..
Perhaps Krejci-Knight-Khoklachev will revive the hope.
Knight with a goal and an assist as the Knights win the game 5-3 and the series in six. Both Knight and Hamilton are now in their respective conference finals. Complete turnaround from this Knights team from earlier in the series, took over the last three games.
Knight with a goal and an assist as the Knights win the game 5-3 and the series in six. Both Knight and Hamilton are now in their respective conference finals. Complete turnaround from this Knights team from earlier in the series, took over the last three games.
Would you say a difference between Knight and Day?
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