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04-13-2012, 07:49 PM
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Shane Doan, because I like him more.

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04-14-2012, 03:57 PM
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I think Marleau is better.

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05-07-2012, 09:29 PM
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Thought that a bump was appropiate considering Doan's team is still in the playoffs while the Sharks had a very dissapointed season. I know were talking about two individual players but did they affect their teams destinies so far?

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05-07-2012, 09:31 PM
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Thought that a bump was appropiate considering Doan's team is still in the playoffs while the Sharks had a very dissapointed season. I know were talking about two individual players but did they affect their teams destinies so far?
Team accomplishments have very little to do with the performance of one individual player. You can have a team with a 100 point scorer (who is their #1C captain) finish in the lottery.

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05-07-2012, 11:38 PM
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You can have a team with a 100 point scorer (who is their #1C captain) finish in the lottery.
Not very often.

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05-07-2012, 11:40 PM
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Not very often.
How about Steven Stamkos and the Lightning this season? Pretty decent example.

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05-08-2012, 01:01 AM
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How about Steven Stamkos and the Lightning this season? Pretty decent example.
He didn't score 100 points, only 97. Those 3 points are the difference between playoffs and no playoffs, clearly

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05-08-2012, 08:27 AM
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Patrick Marleau was ****ing pathetic in the playoffs that's for sure

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05-08-2012, 08:48 AM
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If i had a choice between the two i take Doan no questions asked. Marleau may score more but Doan does more to help his team win.

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05-08-2012, 03:35 PM
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If i had a choice between the two i take Doan no questions asked. Marleau may score more but Doan does more to help his team win.
This is one of the most asinine statements one can make: "though one is the better overall player and scores more, I'd rather take the guy who does less because he helps his team win".

How exactly does being the lesser of the two players help his team win more? This is the first time the Coyotes/Jets franchise has made it out of the 1st round since 1987 for ****s sake. :

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05-08-2012, 03:36 PM
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Doan. Much better leader.

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Doan. Much better leader.
The OP didn't ask who the better leader was, he asked who has had the better career.

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The OP didn't ask who the better leader was, he asked who has had the better career.
Still Doan.

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05-08-2012, 03:42 PM
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Still Doan.
The only way you could say that is if you're extremely naive or a troll.

Marleau has more goals in less games, a higher PPG avg, a much better GPG average in the playoffs. It's not even a debate.

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The only way you could say that is if you're extremely naive or a troll.

Marleau has more goals in less games, a higher PPG avg, a much better GPG average in the playoffs. It's not even a debate.
I've given up. NHL fans love Doan and hate Marleau. There's no point in trying to explain how Marleau is a better player in almost every facet of the game, Doan has ze intangiblez.

Never mind that Doan has scored at barely a .5PPG this playoffs, he's obviously carried his team on his back.

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05-08-2012, 05:13 PM
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People are only voting Doan because his talent compared to Marleau's is slim and the more skilled a player is, the more critique he gets. Marleau hasn't won it all, but he's had more success that Doan. Doan has done less with less, so he has all the excuses on his side.

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Marleau.

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05-08-2012, 06:49 PM
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The only way you could say that is if you're extremely naive or a troll.

Marleau has more goals in less games, a higher PPG avg, a much better GPG average in the playoffs. It's not even a debate.
Doan's had no help until now his entire career. Marleau is a much more talented player, but Doan plays with his heart on his sleeve.

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05-08-2012, 07:27 PM
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This is one of the most asinine statements one can make: "though one is the better overall player and scores more, I'd rather take the guy who does less because he helps his team win".

How exactly does being the lesser of the two players help his team win more? This is the first time the Coyotes/Jets franchise has made it out of the 1st round since 1987 for ****s sake. :
I never called Doan a lesser player, you did.

The second paragraph highlights the obvious disparity that they have had to play through. Obviously Doan was in the less enviable position.

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Doan's had no help until now his entire career. Marleau is a much more talented player, but Doan plays with his heart on his sleeve.
Maybe you're new to the game, but I remember Doan playing with Tkachuk, Roenick and Ronning, all in their primes.

That "he had no one around him" excuse is ignorant. Name 1 elite player, outside of Owen Nolan and 2 years of teemu Selanne that Marleau played significant time with before the lock-out.... Yeah, that's what I thought.

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I never called Doan a lesser player, you did.

The second paragraph highlights the obvious disparity that they have had to play through. Obviously Doan was in the less enviable position.
Because he is the lesser player.

And If you watched hockey in the 90's up to the lock-out, you would know how inaccurate your statement is.

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05-08-2012, 07:55 PM
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Because he is the lesser player.

And If you watched hockey in the 90's up to the lock-out, you would know how inaccurate your statement is.
It's honestly pathetic to come on here and insinuate somebody doesn't watch hockey just because they disagree. I highly doubt you watch as much hockey as i have, and een if you did i played for a long time. I'm not arguing that my opinion is superior but i certainly have the requsite experience and knowledge to have an informed opinion. I don't come on HFboards because i don't watch hockey, grow up and learn to argue like a man and not a petty child. There is no need to try and discredit my opinion on something other than merit.

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05-08-2012, 07:58 PM
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How about Steven Stamkos and the Lightning this season? Pretty decent example.
Touché.

Now, since I didn't say that it never happens who else is out there that you'd like to add to your list.

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It's honestly pathetic to come on here and insinuate somebody doesn't watch hockey just because they disagree. I highly doubt you watch as much hockey as i have, and een if you did i played for a long time. I'm not arguing that my opinion is superior but i certainly have the requsite experience and knowledge to have an informed opinion. I don't come on HFboards because i don't watch hockey, grow up and learn to argue like a man and not a petty child. There is no need to try and discredit my opinion on something other than merit.
Putting all of your contradictions and holier-than-thou rant aside, did Doan play with Tkachuk, Roenick, and Ronning or not?

And how exactly is the guy with better numbers in every catagory per average not having the better career, like the OP states?

People should really read the questions instead of simply injecting their opinions.


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I've given up. NHL fans love Doan and hate Marleau. There's no point in trying to explain how Marleau is a better player in almost every facet of the game, Doan has ze intangiblez.

Never mind that Doan has scored at barely a .5PPG this playoffs, he's obviously carried his team on his back.
I like Doan a lot but he's pretty overrated by hockey fans it seems. Marleau has as many GWG's in the playoffs as Doan has goals.

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