Voracek, Giroux, Schenn, Couturier, Talbot, Simmonds.
Why isn't that a good defensive group?
BC you guys have given up goals in bunches this year? Great team, and fun as hell to watch though. I'd love it if the Kings could snag JVR since he's obviously not vital to your offensive production
Pittsburgh is deeper, they just lack a goalie that can make a save or not put rebounds in the slot.
Actually, of the top 10 teams (in terms of points, not seed), I'm pretty sure they're among the worst...
As has been mentioned by others, they have superior top-end talent. But after Crosby, Malkin, Neal, and, to a lesser extent, Staal, the top-9 is mostly (very good) role players.
Last edited by Jack de la Hoya: 04-14-2012 at 02:56 PM.
Reason: Previous stupidity.
What hurts the flyers is the injuries. I know grossman was rushed backed not 100%, lilja is not as good as a healthy bourdon and with no pronger or meszaros. Imagine if they had pronger and meszaros back. Even injured pronger still put up 12 points in 14 games and defensively he is good at positioning even if he lost a step.
Penguins for the most part are pretty healthy and the Rangers are even healthier.
BC you guys have given up goals in bunches this year? Great team, and fun as hell to watch though. I'd love it if the Kings could snag JVR since he's obviously not vital to your offensive production
Look at our defense before the trade deadline along with Bryzgalov's stats.
Hardly anything to do with the forwards.
Actually, of the top 10 teams (in terms of points, not seed), I'm pretty sure that only NJD has less forward depth than Pittsburgh...
As has been mentioned by others, they have superior top-end talent. But after Crosby, Malkin, Neal, and, to a lesser extent, Staal, the top-9 is mostly (very good) role players.
Not sure if I'm reading this right but you're saying the Devils have the worst forward depth in the top 10?
Actually, of the top 10 teams (in terms of points, not seed), I'm pretty sure that only NJD has less forward depth than Pittsburgh...
As has been mentioned by others, they have superior top-end talent. But after Crosby, Malkin, Neal, and, to a lesser extent, Staal, the top-9 is mostly (very good) role players.
Devils have very good forward depth this year... They're not the devils of past, take notice..,
<smacks head> You're right. I totally forgot that playing defense in the Eastern Conference is merely a suggestion in the playoffs.
Carry on.
Wow. Really. I honestly thought that you misread the post.
Maybe this will clear things up.
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Originally Posted by canuckmaster12345
Seems to me like they're the only team with 4 lines that can be counted on to score.
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Originally Posted by Dolemite
This would be a correct statement if the same group of 4 lines could prevent goals from being scored.
The statement that the Flyers are the only team with four lines capable of scoring is not contradicted by what you allege is an inability to prevent goals against.
If you said that the Flyers are not the "deepest" team because their defensive skill is inferior, I would disagree, but it would be at least be a logical counter to the original claim. You're counterargument is irrelevant to the original statement.
By the way, I disagree with your premise about the Flyers' defensive inadequacies. They were 12th in ES 5-on-5 GA as a team, and that was, at least at times, with a goalie that was struggling badly and a defensive corps held together with duct tape.
Are they the best defensive forward corps in the league? No. In the east alone, NYR are better, I think, and probably Boston. But they aren't the worst.
BC you guys have given up goals in bunches this year? Great team, and fun as hell to watch though. I'd love it if the Kings could snag JVR since he's obviously not vital to your offensive production
Were playing the pens....they had the highest GF in the regular season.
If you were expecting 1-0 games, try the Boston-Washington series
The Flyers are definitely in the top 3 for most depth for every position. Do I think they are the best in the league, i don't know maybe? Lavy's system is designed to give up goals, but to score more than the other team.
The Flyers Defensive depth is fantastic when they are healthy. If they had Pronger they might have the best, but There are plenty of teams with comparable depth. Pens, Rangers, Bruins all have fantastic depth and that's just in the east. I think there are important factors that play into depth that truly shows how deep they are.
I can make one observation about the flyers depth, that I'm not sure any team can compete with and that is the Rookie class for this season. Read, Schenn, Couturier, Wellwood, Bourdon, Rinaldo are the best group of rookies I have seen this team have since the days of Carter, Richards, Umberger, Upshall, Lupul and they weren't even rookies.
Having said that, I don't believe that there players are more talented than any others team's rookie class (although they definitely match any teams rookie talent), but just better developed. The Flyers, just like the Red Wings, Pens, Bruins, Preds...etc, are very good at developing players. Hey look at Columbus, all the young talent in the world and they have no idea what to do with it.
If you want to talk about the Flyers depth, that is a big reason for it.
I don't think you understand the meaning of "deep"...it's kind of the opposite of top heavy, which the Pens are. It's not a bad thing, it's just that the Pens have no business in this thread
Absolutely, unless we're including Dupius who is playing way over his head, the Penguins have 4 forwards that are significantly above average.
Hmm... Talbot, Giroux, couturier, Voracek, hartnell, , schenn are all good to great defensively... To be honest Briere is the only flyer who's inept defensively
Eh, JVR ain't exactly a Selke candidate.
Simmonds, Wellwood, and Read are also terrific though.
The Flyers are definitely in the top 3 for most depth for every position. Do I think they are the best in the league, i don't know maybe? Lavy's system is designed to give up goals, but to score more than the other team.
The Flyers Defensive depth is fantastic when they are healthy. If they had Pronger they might have the best, but There are plenty of teams with comparable depth. Pens, Rangers, Bruins all have fantastic depth and that's just in the east. I think there are important factors that play into depth that truly shows how deep they are.
I can make one observation about the flyers depth, that I'm not sure any team can compete with and that is the Rookie class for this season. Read, Schenn, Couturier, Wellwood, Bourdon, Rinaldo are the best group of rookies I have seen this team have since the days of Carter, Richards, Umberger, Upshall, Lupul and they weren't even rookies.
Having said that, I don't believe that there players are more talented than any others team's rookie class (although they definitely match any teams rookie talent), but just better developed. The Flyers, just like the Red Wings, Pens, Bruins, Preds...etc, are very good at developing players. Hey look at Columbus, all the young talent in the world and they have no idea what to do with it.
If you want to talk about the Flyers depth, that is a big reason for it.
The Flyers, Wings, and Bruins are pretty good yes, but the Pens and Preds? The Preds constantly have trouble with scoring goals, so their forward development is not up to speed. Who've the Penguins had to develop? Crosby? Malkin? "Developing" top 3 picks is not impressive, unless you're Columbus. I credit them with Letang's and Orpik's development but that's about it.
Look at our defense before the trade deadline along with Bryzgalov's stats.
Hardly anything to do with the forwards.
It had plenty to do with the forwards. The TEAM defense was abysmal. On paper, the defensive prowess of the forwards look very good. But so do the defense and our goalie. That's why games aren't played on paper...Still plenty to improve all over the ice.
