It would be nice if he were available for our second round(I like Samuelsson as well) pick if we did take a dman with our first. Still, I would like Chevy to troll the "reach" whiners lol. I think that only NHL comment may have hurt his draft position.
He will definitely not be around in the second, unless he somehow bombs tons of interviews with some kind of Russian factor BS.
He will definitely not be around in the second, unless he somehow bombs tons of interviews with some kind of Russian factor BS.
What was the "NHL comment"?
I was referring to the not willing to play in the OHL or AHL. I guess that means he won't sign a two way contract. It looks like he'll go in the twelve to sixteen range unfortunately.
I was referring to the not willing to play in the OHL or AHL. I guess that means he won't sign a two way contract. It looks like he'll go in the twelve to sixteen range unfortunately.
He has no choice Any player that wants to sign an NHL contract, the first one HAS to be a two way deal. If he wants NHL, he will signed to a two way deal.
He is not Russian, btw, but Czech. He was the best player on his Czech senior team, pretty impressive at 18 (remember he is older than Faksa), but still a hell of a prospect. Love him, he will be a player. I haven't heard about this no AHL thing (where did you hear this, Czech teams pressure players not to go CHL, that's completely different), that will scare teams. It'll be an easy thing though, they will simply sign him and loan him to the KHL/Czech league till he is NHL ready. He is a fantastic player, I would not even be super upset if the Jets took him at 9.
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I was referring to the not willing to play in the OHL or AHL. I guess that means he won't sign a two way contract. It looks like he'll go in the twelve to sixteen range unfortunately.
I think he still HAS to sign a two-way, he'd just put up a stink if he got sent down probably. He is eligible to play AHL already I believe though as he's playing a pro league in Europe.
Although I could be mistaken as well, as I believe he may have only said he wouldn't play CHL. The AHL part was more of an inference. As I can't recall the exact quote itself.
Given that however, he's already developed quite well physically from what I've seen / heard and he could also be one of the underrated guys that could crack an NHL roster at 18.
He has no choice Any player that wants to sign an NHL contract, the first one HAS to be a two way deal. If he wants NHL, he will signed to a two way deal.
He is not Russian, btw, but Czech. He was the best player on his Czech senior team, pretty impressive at 18 (remember he is older than Faksa), but still a hell of a prospect. Love him, he will be a player. I haven't heard about this no AHL thing (where did you hear this, Czech teams pressure players not to go CHL, that's completely different), that will scare teams. It'll be an easy thing though, they will simply sign him and loan him to the KHL/Czech league till he is NHL ready. He is a fantastic player, I would not even be super upset if the Jets took him at 9.
Oh, I know he's Czech. The "Russian factor" is just what it's called, but it exists for all European prospects, even the Fins and Swedes. Just so happens it's Russians who do it the most.
As for the AHL thing it was perhaps an incorrect inference made on my part. It's what I admittedly read on a message board (could have been here) so the chances that it's incorrect are quite high.
He has no choice Any player that wants to sign an NHL contract, the first one HAS to be a two way deal. If he wants NHL, he will signed to a two way deal.
He is not Russian, btw, but Czech. He was the best player on his Czech senior team, pretty impressive at 18 (remember he is older than Faksa), but still a hell of a prospect. Love him, he will be a player. I haven't heard about this no AHL thing (where did you hear this, Czech teams pressure players not to go CHL, that's completely different), that will scare teams. It'll be an easy thing though, they will simply sign him and loan him to the KHL/Czech league till he is NHL ready. He is a fantastic player, I would not even be super upset if the Jets took him at 9.
I'm not a contract guy lol
I meant he wouldn't want to be assigned to junior. Obviously if he didn't make the Jets he would be on a different pay scale if he went to the AHL. Although from that interview I read I got the impression that he would just go back to the Czech league.
I'll see if I can find that interview where he made the comment.
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Although I could be mistaken as well, as I believe he may have only said he wouldn't play CHL. The AHL part was more of an inference. As I can't recall the exact quote itself.
Given that however, he's already developed quite well physically from what I've seen / heard and he could also be one of the underrated guys that could crack an NHL roster at 18.
I thought I read an interview where he inferred that as well. Of course I can't find it now. I could've been mistaken.
I would not mind the Jets taking him, even at 9th. It would be a massive headache however as people would bandwagon the claim that this organization makes "reaches" during the draft. Hell, they're already doing it after only one.
Hertl looked amazing when I watched him and his stats are great. Especially the comparables.
Would have liked it if he was at least open to CHL or AHL (He's stated he only wants to play NHL), but he's in a mens league already so it's hard to complain. I guess there's always the "russian factor", even though he's czech, but I don't really think it comes into play here.
Love his playing style too. Great work ethic and tons of skill.
One of the most "hidden" players in this draft in my opinion.
I too have been a fan of his and think he has great potential since his WJC performance, but a scouting report over on NHLmockdraft.org has me concerned about his skating. Until reading that, I wasn't aware his skating was an issue.
I too have been a fan of his and think he has great potential since his WJC performance, but a scouting report over on NHLmockdraft.org has me concerned about his skating. Until reading that, I wasn't aware his skating was an issue.
As far as I know it's not an "issue". I'll read the report, but from what I've heard he's very strong on his skates, he's hard to knock off the puck and his agility and speed are decent. The only knock I've heard is that he doesn't have top end speed.
Most prospects have the exact same problem, including our own Scheifele. Teuvo Teräväinen supposedly has the same issue with not having a "next gear" and top end speed. Teuvo is however very agile on his skates.
Edit: Just checked out his profile at nhlmockdraft and it didn't show any red flags to me. They brought up the same thing I did in that he doesn't have top end speed. Not really a concern for me as most younger guys usually aren't speedsters yet. Nor does he really project to be one. He's also a pretty solidly built guy for his height, so that could also be attribute to his lack of speed.
World U-18's starting today, Canada vs Denmark and Russia vs Latvia currently taking place.
The biggest notable's for Canada are Gaunce and Dumba, for Russia the names that jumped out at me are Zharkov and Vasilevski.
Both games at the end of the second right now, Gaunce with a couple of penalties, Dumba has an assist, Zharkov has a goal and an assist, and Vasilevski has stopped the 14 shots he's seen so far.
Let's hope the Devils forfeit their 1st rounder this year. There's been a lot of talk about this being a good year to forfeit it, since there's a chance they may not be as strong as they are right now. That would move the Jets 2nd rounder up to #38 instead of #39.
Not really interested in picking him where we are, but Collberg looks to be continuing his international play dominance. He has a Goal and three assists in what will likely be a 6-1 win for Sweden over Germany.
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Spoke too soon, Sweden scores twice more in the last three minutes to make it 8-1. No more points for Collberg though.
Not really interested in picking him where we are, but Collberg looks to be continuing his international play dominance. He has a Goal and three assists in what will likely be a 6-1 win for Sweden over Germany.
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Spoke too soon, Sweden scores twice more in the last three minutes to make it 8-1. No more points for Collberg though.
If our scouting team thinks he is the best player at 9, I will live with it.
Interesting tweets from Corey Pronman (NHL Draft/Prospects writer for Hockey Prospectus and ESPN.)
I make no bones about having an absolute hate on for Tom Wilson. Everyone wants the next "Lucic" and that is not what Wilson is. Wilson is able to dominate physically at a junior level. At best he should be a 4th round pick, that's not what they say, but that's what I see.
Lucic without the points is what's known as an enforcer. A breed that's dieing in todays NHL. Even then when watching Wilson, he doesn't even dominate the fighting aspect.
At BEST I see his ceiling as Chris Neil, and that's at the very best. He has been deemed a "safe NHL" pick, but I don't see it. I can see him busting incredibly easy. I pray for the team that reaches for him because they want physicality.
You are selling him short IMO if you think he is simply an enforcer. He is not the next Lucic at all either but what he is in fact is a big and very physical forward that will have both NHL size and skills when he fills out. The Jets are way too small up front. One of the main things they lack is a forward or two with both the size and grit to consistently win battles down low and out front, to willingly play and compete hard in the dirty areas every shift. They need players that compete, they need a Neil or Hartnell type of forward that enjoys battling for garbage.
You are selling him short IMO if you think he is simply an enforcer. He is not the next Lucic at all either but what he is in fact is a big and very physical forward that will have both NHL size and skills when he fills out. The Jets are way too small up front. One of the main things they lack is a forward or two with both the size and grit to consistently win battles down low and out front, to willingly play and compete hard in the dirty areas every shift. They need players that compete, they need a Neil or Hartnell type of forward that enjoys battling for garbage.
Hopefully the Jets take him at some point!
I agree that it would be nice to get bigger guys "Like" Wilson. IMO, spending a 1st, or low 2nd seems like overkill. Unless he was also putting up even half decent numbers, I think you can get a guy like that A LOT cheaper than a 1st round pick.
If we moved down in the first from 9 to the 15 range (with an eye on Hertl, Wilson or Gaunce), what would that be worth?
2013 2nd rounder?
A swift kick in the butt. If you have a top ten pick you chose your favourite player and then get ready for day two. If Hertl is the guy, then so be it. You don't gamble that he'll still be there at a lower slot.
A swift kick in the butt. If you have a top ten pick you chose your favourite player and then get ready for day two. If Hertl is the guy, then so be it. You don't gamble that he'll still be there at a lower slot.
What's more likely is that there are 5 or 6 guys available at #9 of equal value so you trade down to add another pick to the system without compromising the value acquired with your first pick. Draft boards should be assembled in talent levels not a strict player by player ranking - it's how you gain a competitive advantage in a salary cap world.
Maybe there's only three or four players available at 9 whom you'd consider of equal value, so you try to move down three places and add a 3rd rounder.
Any player that wants to sign an NHL contract, the first one HAS to be a two way deal. If he wants NHL, he will signed to a two way deal.
