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Personally, I would love Staal on the Blues (depending on the price obviously). Going off the Mike Richards framework...
Stewart + Schwartz + 2nd/D'agostini/McRae/Grachev enough?
May be willing to change the 2nd/etc to a 1st if a decent prospect comes back from Pitt
Aside from Staal, what would Pitt fans want in addition to Stewart for Orpik/Michalek?
Why would we give up that much for a player that is not head and shoulders above Backes and Berglund? Why would we trade Schwartz when we need more offense? I honestly cannot understand where you are coming from.
You are probably the only Blues fan that would give that much for Staal.
Personally, I would love Staal on the Blues (depending on the price obviously). Going off the Mike Richards framework...
Stewart + Schwartz + 2nd/D'agostini/McRae/Grachev enough?
May be willing to change the 2nd/etc to a 1st if a decent prospect comes back from Pitt
Aside from Staal, what would Pitt fans want in addition to Stewart for Orpik/Michalek?
You'd have to include a D who can play minutes, block shots and is physical... As I said above, Pens can't really afford to let those two go unless someone similar is coming back - in which case it's likely a lateral move and probably doesn't happen.
I'm not sure how much interest there is in a G... MAF is their clear #1 and isn't going anywhere anytime soon... switch him and the 2nd for a better forward/winger (am honestly not sure who).
You'd have to include a D who can play minutes, block shots and is physical... As I said above, Pens can't really afford to let those two go unless someone similar is coming back - in which case it's likely a lateral move and probably doesn't happen.
I'm not sure how much interest there is in a G... MAF is their clear #1 and isn't going anywhere anytime soon... switch him and the 2nd for a better forward/winger (am honestly not sure who).
We would not want to trade for one if we had one to spare. So obviously thee is not a deal that makes sense for both teams.
Why would we give up that much for a player that is not head and shoulders above Backes and Berglund? Why would we trade Schwartz when we need more offense? I honestly cannot understand where you are coming from.
You are probably the only Blues fan that would give that much for Staal.
I guess I see more offensive upside in Staal (the guy had 50pts in 62 games), and I don't see it as being that much. Stewart hasn't contributed a whole lot this year so his loss is negligible. Obviously the big loss would be Schwartz, but I see no incentive for Pens to make a trade without putting him in there. My logic would be you either move Backes back to the RW, allowing him to play a more offensive game, or just have 3 very good centers.
The biggest risk is that Amac and arguably Perron are injury worries/risks. I just see Staal as a perfect fit for our system. And who knows, maybe Lethera can come in and eliminate a need to sign a UFA.
I guess I see more offensive upside in Staal (the guy had 50pts in 62 games), and I don't see it as being that much. Stewart hasn't contributed a whole lot this year so his loss is negligible. Obviously the big loss would be Schwartz, but I see no incentive for Pens to make a trade without putting him in there. My logic would be you either move Backes back to the RW, allowing him to play a more offensive game, or just have 3 very good centers.
The biggest risk is that Amac and arguably Perron are injury worries/risks. I just see Staal as a perfect fit for our system. And who knows, maybe Lethera can come in and eliminate a need to sign a UFA.
You really are counting on Amac to be healthy all the time? Amac is getting older Schwartz will replace him. Staal is a good player but does not upgrade us over Backes. He us a slight upgrade over Berglund. We do not need to upgrade our 2nd center spot at the cost of Schwartz. Staal also will be an UFA soon and likely get paid a lot of money.
Schwartz is the long term replacement for McDonald. We can't afford to lose him.
I understand and in many ways agree with this criticism. But my response would be that Perron and Steen would be your top 2 LW, and neither of them are old. We would have to find a 3rd LW replacement (either through a different trade or UFA). It all depends on how much upside/offensive prowess we would be looking for in that 3LW. An average 35-40 pt 3LW shouldnt be too hard to find, but I can definently understand the sentiment of wanting to keep and develop Schwartz in the 3Lw spot (and eventually have him grow into a top 6 LW, and thus playing Steen on the 3rd line).
You really are counting on Amac to be healthy all the time? Amac is getting older Schwartz will replace him. Staal is a good player but does not upgrade us over Backes. He us a slight upgrade over Berglund. We do not need to upgrade our 2nd center spot at the cost of Schwartz. Staal also will be an UFA soon and likely get paid a lot of money.
I'm not saying there are no risks involved with this type of trade (both positive and negative), I merely was trying to explain my logic to help you understand where I was coming from. And I will admit, I hadn't considered Staal's upcoming UFA status.
Agreed. The starting point for Pietrangelo would be Letang, and then the Pens would have to start adding. It's just not going to happen.
Not even close. The starting point for Letang would be Pietrangelo.
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Originally Posted by HooliganX2
That is insane. you really have no idea about players values.
You have to overpay if you are getting Staal, we all love him, no one wants to trade him.
If Staal is going to a team, he will be in a package for a better piece. Pittsburgh arent getting spare parts for their players, they are giving spare parts for other teams players. ie.Neal
So if Staal is going to St Louis Pietrangelo + will be coming back. So im sure Staal will not be a blue.
Not even close. The starting point for Letang would be Pietrangelo.
You have to overpay if you are getting Staal, we all love him, no one wants to trade him.
If Staal is going to a team, he will be in a package for a better piece. Pittsburgh arent getting spare parts for their players, they are giving spare parts for other teams players. ie.Neal
So if Staal is going to St Louis Pietrangelo + will be coming back. So im sure Staal will not be a blue.
Using that logic, if Pietrangelo is going to Pittsburgh, it would take Malkin +...
Not even close. The starting point for Letang would be Pietrangelo.
You have to overpay if you are getting Staal, we all love him, no one wants to trade him.
If Staal is going to a team, he will be in a package for a better piece. Pittsburgh arent getting spare parts for their players, they are giving spare parts for other teams players. ie.Neal
So if Staal is going to St Louis Pietrangelo + will be coming back. So im sure Staal will not be a blue.
The Blues do not have a major need to upgrade our 2nd center position. Staal is a nice player to have but he just is no no shape or form a player Pietrangelo would ever be in a deal for. I honestly have no idea why I am replying to you. It's pretty clear you have no idea about players values.
Not even close. The starting point for Letang would be Pietrangelo.
You have to overpay if you are getting Staal, we all love him, no one wants to trade him.
If Staal is going to a team, he will be in a package for a better piece. Pittsburgh arent getting spare parts for their players, they are giving spare parts for other teams players. ie.Neal
So if Staal is going to St Louis Pietrangelo + will be coming back. So im sure Staal will not be a blue.
Letang doesn't get you Pietrangelo. Letang's a great player. But Pietrangelo is a 2d year Lidstrom. Over the second half of this year Pietrangelo emerged as hands down the best defenseman in the world. 40 points in 44 games and elite defense playing against everyone's best and in all situations? I know people think it's all some smoke and mirrors Hitchcock thing but don't kid yourself. In 2012 Pietrangelo is better than everyone, and that would be his trading value.
As for the OP, yes, sadly, it was a Blues fan who mentioned it. But that Blues fan is a rare poster and hasn't followed the dozens of times we've said no. Isn't it telling how bad Martin's been that every time there's even the faintest possibility of dumping Martin on us it's immediately seized on by Pens fans as YESYESYESYESYESLETSDOTHIS?
