Parise will receive a huge offer from the Flames on July 1.
Which he'll most likely turn down.
People comparing the flames to the sens are comparing apples and oranges. Ottowa has missed the playoffs twice since the lockout. 08-09 and 10-11. Not even consecutive years. Why would a team blow it up after missing the playoffs once? In 10-11, their leading scorers were Spezza, Karlsson, Foligno, Michalek. All 27 or younger at the time. Alfredsson was 5th with 31 points in 54 games.
Calgary has missed the playoffs the last 3 years. Their leading scorers this year were Iginla, Jokinen, Tanguay, Glencross. They are all 29 or older. Even if the flames manage to get back into the playoffs next year, where are they going? They don't have enough good young players to be the new core when their top players are gone.
I have no problem with teams trying to win, but there has to be a point at which they realize that what they are doing isn't working and try a different approach. Refusing to trade their older players for futures to accelerate a rebuild will only delay the inevitable and make rebuilding that much harder.
Iginla has 1 year left on his contract. If the flames don't trade him and miss the playoffs next season, why would he re-sign? Loyalty only goes so far, especially for a player who has yet to win a cup and doesn't have many years left to do it.
I don't think they should feel compelled to trade him unless they get a really good offer. Look at the Senators, they kept Alfredsson. Maybe he truly is so attached that he doesn't really want to go. So let's say they keep him and they do poorly, well who's to say with some smart drafting and trades they aren't a playoff team in about 2 more years?
I guess Iginla just doesnt care that much about winning a cup.
It seems to me if he prefers staying in mediocrity instead of going to a cup contender, he's a loser to begin with and should not be approached by any cup contenders. It's the same thing with Sundin, they had to throw him out almost for him to leave Toronto.
He cares about winning with the flames more than personal success what a terrible player
It's the mentality of the day. Loyalty to one's franchise and fans, doing the work necessary to turn the ship around... these are signs of weakness and failure in modern-day sports. Now, players are expected to abandon unsuccessful teams for greener pastures as soon as they possibly can, and should they fail to do so, they're losers who obviously don't care about winning.
It's a sad state of affairs, and it'll only get worse.
It seems to me if he prefers staying in mediocrity instead of going to a cup contender, he's a loser to begin with and should not be approached by any cup contenders. It's the same thing with Sundin, they had to throw him out almost for him to leave Toronto.
It seems to me if he prefers staying in mediocrity instead of going to a cup contender, he's a loser to begin with and should not be approached by any cup contenders. It's the same thing with Sundin, they had to throw him out almost for him to leave Toronto.
Dam him for loyalty to his fans and franchise thinking that winning with his team would be better than else where. Seriously how can someone get bashed for being loyal he is willing to waive his NMC if asked to but if he is not he will do all he can to win in Calgary. Those that deserve to get bashed are the ones that only want personal success and don't care about their team or fans.
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It seems to me if he prefers staying in mediocrity instead of going to a cup contender, he's a loser to begin with and should not be approached by any cup contenders. It's the same thing with Sundin, they had to throw him out almost for him to leave Toronto.
It seems to me if he prefers staying in mediocrity instead of going to a cup contender, he's a loser to begin with and should not be approached by any cup contenders. It's the same thing with Sundin, they had to throw him out almost for him to leave Toronto.
What an absolutely ignorant post.
Jarome Iginla has spoke on numerous occasions about his want to win in CALGARY. However if he was approached by management to waive his NMC to a contender he would do so. Sundin never made such a statement, and in fact rejected a trade out of Toronto.
Yes, let's just assume that such a respected person around the hockey world is a "loser" because he want's to win with the team he has spent his entire career paying for. What a moronic notion...
Furthermore let's take Darren Dregger's word for it!!! Who to my knowledge has absolutely no information on the inside workings of the Flames organization. Hell, Calgary has not even finished up there season ending meetings yet....We are only in week one of the playoff's for god sakes. I always find it amusing at the amount of critics who line up to get their shots in before a full off-season of changes have even occurred.
You nor Darren Dregger have any idea of what is being discussed internally at this point.
Really...? To me it looks like the Pathers blew up their team. If we even look at the last couple of years you can quickly see their rebuild is far more then signing free agents.
In the last two drafts alone they have had 14 picks within the first 3 rounds....
2010 draft: 3 first rounders (3,19,25), 3 second rounders (33,36,50), and 1 third rounder (69).
2011 draft: 1 first rounder (3), 2 second rounders (33,59), and 4 third rounders (64,76,87,91).
Traded away David Booth, Nathan Horton, Gregory Campbell, Keith Ballard, Michael Frolik, Cory Stillman, Bryan McCabe, Radek Dvorak, Dennis Wideman, Bryan Allen, Chris Higgins, Rostislav Olesz.
Traded for Brian Campbell, Tomas Kopecky, Kris Versteeg, Mikael Samuelsson, Wojtek Wolski, Michael Grabner, Steve Bernier, Jack Skille, Sergei Samsonov.
Signed Jose Theodore, Scottie Upshall, Ed Jovanovski, Marcel Goc, Tomas Fleischmann, Sean Bergenheim, John Madden, Christopher Higgins, Mike Weaver.
For all the free agents mentioned as part of their "rebuild" it's often forgotten that the Pathers needed to reach the cap floor this year. Furthermore the ufa signings imo were a way to bridge the gap to the future (Jacob Markstrom, Jonathan Huberdeau, Quinton Howden, Nick Bjugstad, etc.). When the future does arrive they can likely trade the likes of Tomas Kopecky, Sean Bergenheim, Marcel Goc, etc. to further stockpile assets.
So to me it looks like the Pathers blew up their team, while rebuilding and yet still remained competitive. Not to shabby if you ask me... It can be done...
Great analysis and you really proved your point about the Panthers blowing up the team. But they also got two 3rd overalls.......how exactly is that remaining competitive? Seems to me like they burned it to the ground and built from a skeleton.
People are acting like this is a team that came in 12th place.
They almost made the playoffs, and they had 16 OT losses.
The difference in those OT's could have been a full season of Cammallerri, or a guy like Sven Bartschi.
The team isn't nearly as bad as people think/wish.
Big deal they make the playoffs in 7th or 8th, that does not change anything other than putting a few more dollars in the owners pocket from a couple extra playoff home games.
They would still be a playoff bubble team with an aging core. Finishing in 7th or 8th is really not all that much better than 9th or 10th. You still are not a serious contender to win the Cup, which should be the goal of management, not just making the playoffs.
