He shouldn't. Similar hits overall should be penalized more harshly.
With Crosby's injury last year and Sedin's injury this year, both on illegal hits and both affecting teams with a good shot at the Cup, you have to think the league will smarten up over the off-season and realize that handing out pathetically short suspensions for throwing hits resulting in much lengthier injuries is not working.
What do you mean, "not working"...? In terms of eliminating illegal hits that result in injuries from the game? Nothing will be "working" in that regard. Those illegal plays always have, and always will happen. Just look at the number of those hits coming from "first-time offenders", on which more "deterrent" suspensions to other players would have had a far lesser influence. The deterrence is rather overrated. It would be entirely unrealistic for the league to expect to actually decrease the number of those illegal hits by just handing out huge suspensions.
Yeah, that's the problem... justifying Keith's actions condones a never ending series of retaliations.
I agree I didn't like what Sedin did but it did not warrant what Keith did. Keith should have gotten alot longer suspension but Shanahan has been easy on serious head shots to this point and had his hands tied. I don't think Keith is a dirty player but his hit on Sedin is inexcusable.
Thread name should be changed... since "ruled out of the series" was the rumor going around and it has not been confirmed. Having it stickied and that name make it sound very official.
Gillis and Vigneault said they are unsure of his status for the rest of the series...
Upon further review, amit916 has a valid point. All we know at this point is Daniel Sedin isn't flying to Los Angeles. Until we have more official words from the Vancouver organization, we're going to rename the thread title and unsticky it.
What do you mean, "not working"...? In terms of eliminating illegal hits that result in injuries from the game? Nothing will be "working" in that regard. Those illegal plays always have, and always will happen. Just look at the number of those hits coming from "first-time offenders", on which more "deterrent" suspensions to other players would have had a far lesser influence. The deterrence is rather overrated. It would be entirely unrealistic for the league to expect to actually decrease the number of those illegal hits by just handing out huge suspensions.
Might as well just get rid of suspensions then by that logic. If they aren't a deterrent then why have them?
What do you mean, "not working"...? In terms of eliminating illegal hits that result in injuries from the game? Nothing will be "working" in that regard. Those illegal plays always have, and always will happen. Just look at the number of those hits coming from "first-time offenders", on which more "deterrent" suspensions to other players would have had a far lesser influence. The deterrence is rather overrated. It would be entirely unrealistic for the league to expect to actually decrease the number of those illegal hits by just handing out huge suspensions.
I guess "not working" isn't the right phrase. There just isn't any justice in Keith playing in the playoffs while Sedin sits. None at all.
Might as well just get rid of suspensions then by that logic. If they aren't a deterrent then why have them?
Single case "justice" (based on rules and precedents), as vague as that term still is. It would be great if it worked as a significant deterrent at the same time, sure, but I don't think it would be wise to just assume it would be, or that it would be a more powerful one when the numbers just happen to be bigger.
I can guarantee you this, Daniel won't try to hit someone cheaply ever again in the NHL.
Keith is not a dirty player he just hates ********, and only once vs. Matt Cooke did he retaliate because of something cheap he did. "you shouldnt throw stones if you live in a glass house and if you gotta glass jaw you should watch your mouth cause he will brake his face have is ass running mumbling to the Jake"
I don't care how slow Daniel's recovery takes...so long as he's at 100% and able to take contact... Even if he misses the rest of the playoffs...my main concern is his health and well being...
Horton has a better ppg, has a ring and plays a much more complete playoff game than Sedin (aka actually checking). What exactly makes Daniel a better playoff performer?
Being big and acting 'tough' doesn't mean he's a checker or that has a better complete playoff game, Horton was injured in the Bruins' four SCF wins, and I have already answered your PPG assertion (nice of you to cut that part out of my post).
What do you mean, "not working"...? In terms of eliminating illegal hits that result in injuries from the game? Nothing will be "working" in that regard. Those illegal plays always have, and always will happen. Just look at the number of those hits coming from "first-time offenders", on which more "deterrent" suspensions to other players would have had a far lesser influence. The deterrence is rather overrated. It would be entirely unrealistic for the league to expect to actually decrease the number of those illegal hits by just handing out huge suspensions.
This. You can hand out a 20, 30 or 50 game suspension to a player to "set an example" but you're not deterring another player from doing it. The only way you maybe deter someone is to start handing out $1,000,000 fines - if a player loses his entire year's pay, or even more, maybe you make an impact.
This. You can hand out a 20, 30 or 50 game suspension to a player to "set an example" but you're not deterring another player from doing it.
If an instigator penalty is enough to deter (not prevent - deter) people from brawling, a 20-game-suspension policy for elbows would certainly have an impact on players' decision making.
Duncan Keith has the heart the size of a watermelon. When he took that cheap shot in the corner it sparked his brain what happend to his buddy Seabrook with Torres. That's when you Canuck fans seen his game go from solid to AMAZING last years first round and turned the series around.
For all wishing injury on Keith and payback remember this; Duncan is the most elusive,fit and wary defender, and is a tremendous skater.
You have him lined up or ready for a cheap shot and your gunna smash yourself into the boards 9/10
Elbow him in the head when he isn't looking and doesn't have the puck, which is pretty much exactly what he did to Sedin.
This. You can hand out a 20, 30 or 50 game suspension to a player to "set an example" but you're not deterring another player from doing it. The only way you maybe deter someone is to start handing out $1,000,000 fines - if a player loses his entire year's pay, or even more, maybe you make an impact.
Even then, though, it's doubtful.
You want hits like that out of games, eliminate bodychecking. Make the NHL a non hitting league. I am sure it is only a matter of time till it's gone.
You want hits like that out of games, eliminate bodychecking. Make the NHL a non hitting league. I am sure it is only a matter of time till it's gone.
How can ayone look at these playoffs, especially the games we've seen in Boston and New York, and think hitting is on its way out of the game? The series are as physical as ever, and veryone loves it. Just with a few less headshots, which is perfect. You're right in that such illegal plays will never be eliminated entirely, but there's no inidication that we are headed towards a non hitting game right now.
How can ayone look at these playoffs, especially the games we've seen in Boston and New York, and think hitting is on its way out of the game? The series are as physical as ever, and veryone loves it. Just with a few less headshots, which is perfect. You're right in that such illegal plays will never be eliminated entirely, but there's no inidication that we are headed towards a non hitting game right now.
Teams saw the kind of crap Boston was able to get away with and emulated it. As Craig Simpson so aptly put in the Vancouver-Boston series: "It is Hudson Bay rules out there."
yup Bruins had to deal with Savard out last year and Horton this year. Dont count the Nucks out yet though, one player doesn't change everything, just look at us last year
Oh my god you didn't just compare Savard and Horton to Daniel Sedin?
Edit: I'm neither a Canuck nor a Chicago fan. Absolutely neutral in this situation.
But Sedin's hit was totally clean in it's intentions, but the result was bad. He didn't leave his feet, he didn't target the head, it wasn't late, he didn't overskate. Though Keith was staying in a low position so half the shoulder hit the face and half the shoulder hit the chest.
That's not even slightly comparable to what Keith did, elbow with tremendous force straight to the face on a player that hasn't touched the puck the last 20-some seconds of the game... That was pure intention to injure and 50 miles worse.
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Since the NHL didn't have the balls to do what they should, it's up to the Phoenix Coyotes to take care of it (and to be clear, I don't mean it's up for them to injure anyone, but rather to boot the Hawks from the playoffs and send Keith golfing).
You have can 100% guarantee I am rooting for Phoenix in the West more than anything else right now. The most gratifying revenge against Keith, in my opinion, would be a first round exit for Chicago, and Vancouver rallying back against the Kings and going on to win the whole thing.
But I just don't see the latter happening without Daniel, so I am with all my heart and soul hoping that Keith does not get the chance to play for another cup because of what he did.
That's not even slightly comparable to what Keith did, elbow with tremendous force straight to the face on a player that hasn't touched the puck the last 20-some seconds of the game... That was pure intention to injure and 50 miles worse.
Agreed. Clearly meant to injure, was not thinking about playing the puck at all. Don't understand how that's only a 5-game suspension, allowing Keith to be rested and ready to go for the playoffs. Should have been rest of season + 1st round of playoffs.
Agreed. Clearly meant to injure, was not thinking about playing the puck at all. Don't understand how that's only a 5-game suspension, allowing Keith to be rested and ready to go for the playoffs. Should have been rest of season + 1st round of playoffs.
I agree. A 5 game suspension out of an 82 game season is basically a slap on the wrist. How many STANLEY CUP FINAL games did Rome get for the Horton hit? They were both AT LEAST as bad as each other.
Why don't Canuck fans just stop crying about the Keith hit and deal with it. It is what it is.
Instead start looking at your own team and ask why no one seems to have elevated their game to minimize the impact Daniels loss is. It's all about excuses with you guys, nothing could ever be the fault of your own.
When fans of neither Chicago, Boston, LA, or Vancouver are saying Keith deserved to be suspended for more than 5 games, then there's a good chance it's not just Canucks bias.
Why don't Canuck fans just stop crying about the Keith hit and deal with it. It is what it is.
Instead start looking at your own team and ask why no one seems to have elevated their game to minimize the impact Daniels loss is. It's all about excuses with you guys, nothing could ever be the fault of your own.
I don't think Canucks fans are saying it's the only reason they aren't winning. It just hasn't helped and it's hard to see the player that did it out there helping his team to win. Is that hard to comprehend?
