It took balls for Gainey to delete 10 regulars but ir didn't work out. The hormones have to be coordinated with the prefrontal lobe. If they're not, some other team ends up eating the Habs' lunch. As for Burke, his impulses have planted landmines on the Leafs' road to respectability. Their 9-3-1 start to the season was a mirage.
Are people jumping the gun again? They've won two PO games in a row, not two Cups in a row. With the way they start games, they could be trailing 0-2 in the serie and nobody would be talking about their "model" now. Kudos for the comebacks but their "model" has proven little.
Not to mention mercilessly exploiting a below-average goaltender on a cold spell.
Seriously, it's the playoffs. Do you think 4-3 games should be the model, let alone EIGHT TO FIVE?
Their offensive guys look utterly fantastic because people only look at boxcar goals-assist-points. Oh, how awesome. Meanwhile, Philly has allowed 8 goals in two playoff games. If the Pens hadn't been generally even more of a sieve than they've been, where would they be? Aren't you supposed to play defense and have great goaltending to be considered great?
I still don't like the contract to Pronger, I still don't like the Carter and Richards trade (they don't seem to be hurting LA any) and I think the Bryzgalov contract is ridiculous.
Despite their short-term success, I am thoroughly unimpressed with Holmgren.
(Though I wish the Habs were so lucky that the guys in front of them would draft like dolts and let a player of Couturier's caliber fall to 8th. EIGHTH, for crying out loud.)
(Though I wish the Habs were so lucky that the guys in front of them would draft like dolts and let a player of Couturier's caliber fall to 8th. EIGHTH, for crying out loud.)
I'm with you, I had three players ahead of him for christ sake..
I can't see Scheifele, Strome, Zibanejad(even freaking Huberdeau..) having better careers than him. I had RNH, Landeskog and Larsson over him and after that it was by a MILE !
It took balls for Gainey to delete 10 regulars but ir didn't work out. The hormones have to be coordinated with the prefrontal lobe. If they're not, some other team ends up eating the Habs' lunch. As for Burke, his impulses have planted landmines on the Leafs' road to respectability. Their 9-3-1 start to the season was a mirage.
No,
Balls would have meant trading them at the deadline.
Oh..wait i've been saying this since forever and when I go on a trip its right heh?
Oh and also... The philly model is a gamble model. We took alot of them. See what it did ?
What if couturier was drafted while they were choosing and they choose a bust ? What if Schenn never becomes better than a third liner ?
They'll have traded Carter vs Voracek-Bust and Richards for a second line winger and a third.
(Sure this didnt happen ..But you get the point.)
What if Gomez had 4 60 points + season? What if Mcdonagh busted ?
What if camalleri scored 40 for three-four seasons?
You can go the safer way then..the Detroit way... Draft BPA develop him slowly and when he's perfectly baked bring him up !
Detroit lucked out to draft Datsyuk and Zetterberg in the 7th and 6th round. That's how their team is built, genuine luck, as opposed to the educated guess of thinking Brayden Schenn or Ryan McDonagh will be great players. It was also obvious that Gomez was past his prime.
As we move further and further from the 2007 Cup Finals, as the luck of drafting Zetterberg and Datsyuk fails into irrelevance due to the aging process, Detroit will become worse and worse. This year they only have a 50% chance of making it past the first round.
Also keep in mind that Holmgren has Pronger on a 35+ contract until 2018 and Bryzgalov on a standard contract until 2020. Both with NMCs, so no hiding him in the minors like the Habs might for Gomez.
Detroit lucked out to draft Datsyuk and Zetterberg in the 7th and 6th round. That's how their team is built, genuine luck, as opposed to the educated guess of thinking Brayden Schenn or Ryan McDonagh will be great players. It was also obvious that Gomez was past his prime.
As we move further and further from the 2007 Cup Finals, as the luck of drafting Zetterberg and Datsyuk fails into irrelevance due to the aging process, Detroit will become worse and worse. This year they only have a 50% chance of making it past the first round.
Not to mention that Detroit is in for a rude awakening when Lidstrom retires. They are a totally different team with him in the lineup. It is a staggering difference.
everyone says they will just sign Ryan Suter and not miss a beat, but Ryan Suter is far from Lidstrom.
Also keep in mind that Holmgren has Pronger on a 35+ contract until 2018 and Bryzgalov on a standard contract until 2020. Both with NMCs, so no hiding him in the minors like the Habs might for Gomez.
You're grasping at straws.
The point is that Philly is a comprehensively superior team.
It doesn't negate that when you nitpick about the fact they're "stuck" with Chris Pronger. We wish we had Chris Pronger.
Not to mention that Detroit is in for a rude awakening when Lidstrom retires. They are a totally different team with him in the lineup. It is a staggering difference.
everyone says they will just sign Ryan Suter and not miss a beat, but Ryan Suter is far from Lidstrom.
Right, and they probably won't get Suter.
I'm really tired about hearing about the Detroit model. It is pure luck. Philly, Pittsburgh, Boston, represent three distinct, genuine strategies.
Kim Johnsson
Mark Recchi
Sami Kapanen
Tony Amonte
Mike Knuble
Jason Smith
Alexei Zhamnov
Shall I continue?
Most of those were washed up players, and/or were gone before Holmgren was made Gm. Knuble would be the only one on the list that fits the "notable player allowed to walk for nothing" under Holmgren.
Detroit lucked out to draft Datsyuk and Zetterberg in the 7th and 6th round. That's how their team is built, genuine luck, as opposed to the educated guess of thinking Brayden Schenn or Ryan McDonagh will be great players. It was also obvious that Gomez was past his prime.
As we move further and further from the 2007 Cup Finals, as the luck of drafting Zetterberg and Datsyuk fails into irrelevance due to the aging process, Detroit will become worse and worse. This year they only have a 50% chance of making it past the first round.
Detroit lucked out ? Detroit has done this for 20 years now. They got far more superior player than you think. When people like Filpulla and Ericsson are depth players you know the team knows what it takes. Also theres something sepcial about good ol' motor city. They've been like that since i've been a kid. (I didnt live the shady days of the franchise)
Oh and every team has 50% chances of winning a hockey game. Its a team vs a team.
Most of those were washed up players, and/or were gone before Holmgren was made Gm. Knuble would be the only one on the list that fits the "notable player allowed to walk for nothing" under Holmgren.
Uh, they are free agents, of course they will be older. Most of those players were lost just prior to Holmgren getting hired, which saw a huge makeover of the club (a number of free agents leaving, not unlike what Gauthier received as a team).
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I said notable. Zhamnov?
Zhamnov is nearly a PPG player in the NHL...He had a great career in Chicago.
Define what you mean by 'notable'? Which team loses multiple superstars? Most of those players were pretty good players.
Uh, they are free agents, of course they will be older. Most of those players were lost just prior to Holmgren getting hired, which saw a huge makeover of the club (a number of free agents leaving, not unlike what Gauthier received as a team).
Zhamnov is nearly a PPG player in the NHL...He had a great career in Chicago.
Define what you mean by 'notable'? Which team loses multiple superstars? Most of those players were pretty good players.
Zhamnov spent 20 games with Philly and was a rental. He was not a notable player when he left. He went on to do nothing afterwards.
Philly does not lose KEY pieces for nothing with no backup plan. There may be the odd player but it's not an epidemic like it is in Montreal who discards players like a used kleenex.
maybe the habs should work harder scouting and drafting kids from the Q ????
What about Boston
Bergeron
Marchand
Krejci
Also I get your point but the draft is all about luck, you think teams wouldn't love some of the players we have drafted later on? You want the Habs to simply draft 7 Q players every year?
Habs BTW had no shot at drafting, Crosby, Fleury, Voracek and Couturier
