I'd say the value is pretty good, but I'd say no from a Colorado perspective. I think McGinn is going to become more of a well known name next year, similar to what happened to Chris Stewart here. This of course will be part and parcel of playing with Stastny. I want to see this play out here in Colorado, not in Buffalo. Plus I'm a huge fan of players who hit, fight and score, so McGinn would be a no go.
I will admit, I am very interested in Schenn. I know Toronto won't move him unless its for one of Stastny/Duchene/RoR and NO WAY IN HELL would I do that. I think he would be great with a different team. I think the expectations that Burke has for him and the pressure from the Toronto media has gotten to him.
If he was on a different team like the Wings, Preds, Panthers, PHX, or any other small market (expect CBJ) he'd be a successful top 4 - top pairing Dman.
I'd trade Stastny straight up for Schenn, but that almost be just for the salary dump.
Sadly the Avalanche need the salary almost more than we need Stastny.
I'd trade Stastny straight up for Schenn, but that almost be just for the salary dump.
Sadly the Avalanche need the salary almost more than we need Stastny.
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for the Avs to dump salary. And no, once all RFA's are signed we don't need Stastny's salary to stay above the floor.
This isn't Mike Komisarek we're talking about people. Stastny is actually a good player. It's not a great contract, but it's not an albatross either.
I personally don't want Schenn whatsoever, he's a project and we already have one with EJ. I'm not saying he hasn't been good for us, but he's inconsistent right now. I'd rather not give up a proven player like Staz for a player like Schenn, even if it was Schenn+. I do think EJ will become a #1 defender, but i'd rather not put our future on the line and hope both EJ and Schenn pan out like they're suppose to.
Lots of people think that Schenn will play better under Carlyle's more defense oriented system. With Wilson we played a high speed, run-and-gun style which involved D jumping up a lot, but it also led to defensive breakdowns a lot of the time. Schenn seemed really uncomfortable and for obvious reasons. That's not his game at all. With Carlyle it is like a new opportunity for him.
That being said he definitely wouldn't be traded for the sake of a trade. He's still young and I'm hoping for a bounce back. I'd personally do Schenn + for Stastny, but like you said, many others aren't interested in parting with Stastny.
For better or worse, Wilson's system sounds like what we are doing here in Colorado. Considering the primary knocks on Schenn (Skating and prone to turnovers handling the puck), it probably would not be a very good fit.
For better or worse, that Wilson's system sounds like what we are doing here in Colorado. Considering the primary knocks on Schenn (Skating and prone to turnovers handling the puck), it probably would not be a very good fit.
He also shoots right and I'm not sure he or any of our right shots are all that comfortable on the left side. I know EJ played a bit there his last season with the Blues, but that was his weakest stretch in the NHL.
For better or worse, Wilson's system sounds like what we are doing here in Colorado. Considering the primary knocks on Schenn (Skating and prone to turnovers handling the puck), it probably would not be a very good fit.
Yep, fair enough! Who do YOU guys think would be some possibly available centremen? Burke said that a centre is a priority for the offseason, but I can't seem to see many being available because #1 C rarely come available.
Yep, fair enough! Who do YOU guys think would be some possibly available centremen? Burke said that a centre is a priority for the offseason, but I can't seem to see many being available because #1 C rarely come available.
I personally believe they'll keep all three and roll three scoring lines next season, it's also nice to have three good centers in case one of them struggles like Dutch did this season.
Yep, fair enough! Who do YOU guys think would be some possibly available centremen? Burke said that a centre is a priority for the offseason, but I can't seem to see many being available because #1 C rarely come available.
Not many #1 centers available but I think Ribiero from Dallas might be one of the better options available because the big raise that Benn is going to get it. The new owners in dallas are willing to spend(we will see) though. It would take a nice piece to move him though so be prepared to pay. before the deadline i remember threads in which dallas was looking for high end center prospects so Kadri+ might be interesting to them.
Not many #1 centers available but I think Ribiero from Dallas might be one of the better options available because the big raise that Benn is going to get it. The new owners in dallas are willing to spend(we will see) though. It would take a nice piece to move him though so be prepared to pay. before the deadline i remember threads in which dallas was looking for high end center prospects so Kadri+ might be interesting to them.
I wouldn't do that because I believe Kadri will have a similar upside to that of Ribeiro. He is 21 and will hopefully have a full-time roster spot next year if all goes well through camp. That trade seems like we'd be trading for the same player, but 10 years older lol. I'm a big Kadri fan and would like to see him play a full season in the NHL because I think he would help our team WAY more than he'd hurt it.
I wouldn't do that because I believe Kadri will have a similar upside to that of Ribeiro. He is 21 and will hopefully have a full-time roster spot next year if all goes well through camp. That trade seems like we'd be trading for the same player, but 10 years older lol. I'm a big Kadri fan and would like to see him play a full season in the NHL because I think he would help our team WAY more than he'd hurt it.
I don't think Burke looks at it that way, or else he wouldn't be going hard for a center this offseason. If he is looking for a #1 proven center, I can see Kadri being shipped out. You guys have Grabvoski as the #2 center who could be a stopgap #1 center until Kadri develops if he had more faith in Kadri.
I don't think Burke looks at it that way, or else he wouldn't be going hard for a center this offseason. If he is looking for a #1 proven center, I can see Kadri being shipped out. You guys have Grabvoski as the #2 center who could be a stopgap #1 center until Kadri develops if he had more faith in Kadri.
Burke's said that the Leafs are developing him into a winger in the NHL, so going hard after a center doesn't necessary mean they've completely lost faith in Kadri.
That being said...I still wouldn't be surprised if he were trade bait.
Burke's said that the Leafs are developing him into a winger in the NHL, so going hard after a center doesn't necessary mean they've completely lost faith in Kadri.
That being said...I still wouldn't be surprised if he were trade bait.
Yeah, I suspect that he'll play the wing. I remember something mentioned about Kadri playing wing in the defensive zone and on face offs, but then once the puck gets into the offensive zone he more or less takes over the centre role because his skill set seems more suited for centre. Unfortunately his defense doesn't appear to be suited for the centre role.
If we traded Kadri I'd be really pissed. We've spent 3-4 years developing this guy already and it's clear that his offensive abilities are very high. The Leafs have traded away picks and prospects too often, just to watch other teams reap the rewards of their development. Pretty frustrating and if we trade Kadri, I feel like that would happen again..
Yeah, I suspect that he'll play the wing. I remember something mentioned about Kadri playing wing in the defensive zone and on face offs, but then once the puck gets into the offensive zone he more or less takes over the centre role because his skill set seems more suited for centre. Unfortunately his defense doesn't appear to be suited for the centre role.
If we traded Kadri I'd be really pissed. We've spent 3-4 years developing this guy already and it's clear that his offensive abilities are very high. The Leafs have traded away picks and prospects too often, just to watch other teams reap the rewards of their development. Pretty frustrating and if we trade Kadri, I feel like that would happen again..
Lefs would make a mistake if they decide to move Kadri IMHO, he's wildly underrated around here because he's a Leafs prospect, but I have a very high opinion about him. I hope you guys don't do the same mistake as Habs did with Ribeiro and Grabovski.
What do you guys think about trading Duchene (maybe add something to him) for Shea Weber's RFA rights? In case Preds suffer an early playoff exit, Weber refuses to sign longterm in Nashville, but is willing to sign a longterm deal in Denver. Then we could go after Suter and Chris Kelly on the FA market.
I know this is a fantasy and that it won't happen, I'm posting this out of pure boredom and I would like to knwo what do you guys think about this idea.
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FORWARDS
Jamie McGinn ($2.200m) / Paul Stastny ($6.600m) / Peter Mueller ($2.200m)
Gabriel Landeskog ($3.575m) / Ryan O'Reilly ($4.000m) / Steve Downie ($2.300m)
Mark Olver ($1.100m) / Chris Kelly ($3.200m) / David Jones ($3.100m)
Cody McLeod ($1.000m) / Jay McClement ($2.400m) / Chuck Kobasew ($1.250m)
Brad Malone ($0.875m) /
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Ryan Suter ($6.800m) / Shea Weber ($7.000m)
Jan Hejda ($3.250m) / Erik Johnson ($4.750m)
Ryan O'Byrne ($1.800m) / Cameron Gaunce ($0.846m)
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Semyon Varlamov ($2.833m)
Jean-Sebastien Giguere ($1.250m)
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If we move Duchy, McClement should be our 3rd line center imo.
I also doubt Nashville accepts Duchy's RFA rights for Weber's RFA rights.
Who would be our #4 center? Maybe Greg Campbell if Kelly is to expensive and his dad's influence couldn't hurt .
Preds might accept if Weber says he's leaving in 2013 and if we add a little bit to Dutch. Dutch would be under their control for a decent number of years and they have young up and coming defensmen on the way but they lack top tier offensive talent outside of Radulov who might be gone in 2013 as well.
Who would be our #4 center? Maybe Greg Campbell if Kelly is to expensive and his dad's influence couldn't hurt .
Preds might accept if Weber says he's leaving in 2013 and if we add a little bit to Dutch. Dutch would be under their control for a decent number of years and they have young up and coming defensmen on the way but they lack top tier offensive talent outside of Radulov who might be gone in 2013 as well.
Sacco seemed to like Olver at center (I didn't). But we still have Hishon, Sgarbossa and Malone. While none of them seem like NHL centers, I really doubt we go out and sign a 4th line center. Who was the last 4th line center we signed out of FA?
And frankly, if the Preds know Suter is leaving and Weber is contemplating leaving, I think they would rather get a year out of him before FA and evaluate as the season goes along than move him for a forward center. Especially with Legwand, Fisher, Gaustad, Wilson and Smith already.
Maybe something like Duchene + Siemens + Barrie for Weber + Wilson, but that's nuts for us and the only type of overpayment I can see making sense for Nashville.
Really cant see the Preds trading Weber at all either at the draft or in July.
It would either mean that Suter has already left via FA ( 2nd for his rights or sth like that after he declared that he will not resign) and they would lose 2 of their 3 franchise cornerstones as well as there top 2 defenders in a 2 week span and If not there is no reason for Suter to come back July 1st to NSH after they traded his partner in crime and good friend.
I would rather look into Suter as an FA and if he wont sign with us just move on to cheaper guys like Carle or give our young guns a shot.
General statement: Why on earth has the Stastny for scraps pattern at the trade board been transformed to Duchene for your futures ?
Does any one really believe we will trade Duchene?
Now? Disregard for once that he is an Avs fan and basically our franchise player and focus on Shermans MO. Buy low sell high.
Trading Duchene right now would be selling incredibly low.
So that will never happen. Stastny maybe. But when I look at the Leafs board trade thread I dont want to see him ever go there
( and they would be the logical destination).
One guy is offended by Kadri and their overpaid contracts for Stastny. Calls him worse than Kadri. Guys like that deserve no success and sure as hell not Stastny.
i just don't see the Preds being crazy enough to break up that sweet defensive pairing. their fans will eat them alive and they're Rinne's best friends in terms keeping so many high tier scoring chances away from him.
Really cant see the Preds trading Weber at all either at the draft or in July.
It would either mean that Suter has already left via FA ( 2nd for his rights or sth like that after he declared that he will not resign) and they would lose 2 of their 3 franchise cornerstones as well as there top 2 defenders in a 2 week span and If not there is no reason for Suter to come back July 1st to NSH after they traded his partner in crime and good friend.
I would rather look into Suter as an FA and if he wont sign with us just move on to cheaper guys like Carle or give our young guns a shot.
General statement: Why on earth has the Stastny for scraps pattern at the trade board been transformed to Duchene for your futures ?
Does any one really believe we will trade Duchene?
Now? Disregard for once that he is an Avs fan and basically our franchise player and focus on Shermans MO. Buy low sell high.
Trading Duchene right now would be selling incredibly low.
So that will never happen. Stastny maybe. But when I look at the Leafs board trade thread I dont want to see him ever go there
( and they would be the logical destination).
One guy is offended by Kadri and their overpaid contracts for Stastny. Calls him worse than Kadri. Guys like that deserve no success and sure as hell not Stastny.
Much as I would think trading Duchene would be an idiotic thing to do, I can't help but think the organization has soured on him a bit. I would be shocked, but not entirely surprised if he were traded. Maybe not THIS offseason, but in the near future.
And yes, actually I could see the Preds trading Weber and doing everything they can to keep Suter, given the way Weber has played on and off this season and postseason. Frankly I think he wants out, whereas Suter is weighing his options. Both will likely bolt at the first opportunity, but I think if the Preds have to choose one or the other, they should keep Suter.
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