Then prove it. There is no way anybody can say that Johnson had a better year than Smid. Smid is a Dan Hamhuis level player. Laugh all you want but you'll see.
Petry was as good as Johnson, if not better. I would not trade Petry for Johnson just because he went 1st overall. He has done NOTHING to justify that slot, nor has he done anything to justify being called a #1 defenseman. I heard what Armstrong said when he was traded, and i've seen plenty of the player myself to know that it is you being the "homer" here. Seriously some tangiable evidence to support your claims would be great.
If Johnson isn't a #1 defenseman, which defenseman/men did Colorado ride to get as far as they did this year? Jan Hejda? Ryan O'Byrne? Shane O'Brien?
Hall is the more talented player for sure, but personally, I'd rather have Landeskog on my team going forward.
makes no sense...
At this note... Karlson is the better player for sure but I would rather have
Subban
Statements like this IMO are nothing but trying to stir things up.
COL is much better down the middle and defensively. EDM is stacked on the wing.
And no I would not rather have Landeskog then Hall going forward.
makes no sense...
At this note... Karlson is the better player for sure but I would rather have
Subban
Statements like this IMO are nothing but trying to stir things up.
COL is much better down the middle and defensively. EDM is stacked on the wing.
And no I would not rather have Landeskog then Hall going forward.
Whats not to get?
Raw talent doesn't mean better player necessarily.
Alex Semin has more talent than most players in the league, but there are tons of players Id take before him.
Then prove it. There is no way anybody can say that Johnson had a better year than Smid. Smid is a Dan Hamhuis level player. Laugh all you want but you'll see.
Petry was as good as Johnson, if not better. I would not trade Petry for Johnson just because he went 1st overall. He has done NOTHING to justify that slot, nor has he done anything to justify being called a #1 defenseman. I heard what Armstrong said when he was traded, and i've seen plenty of the player myself to know that it is you being the "homer" here. Seriously some tangiable evidence to support your claims would be great.
Oh my.
Tell me this, if Smid is on Dan Hamhuis' level, Petry was as good or better than Johnson, and Dubnyk is a good starting goalie on Varlamovs level, why did Edmonton finish 23rd worst in goals allowed vs. Colorado who was 11th in goals against.
It must have been those stud dmen Colorado has in Hunwick, O'Brien, Wilson etc.
You don't think Hemsky is a better player to have going forward? He's a core guy in Edmonton so i want to know who should have i compared him to on Colorado's roster? BTW coming into this year Hemsky had the 15th best ppg of all wingers since the lockout, i wasn't insulting Hejduk by any means. Hejduk might be retiring this year or next, so yeah i think Hemsky is better longterm.
The fact you're comparing Hemsky to a 36 year old who in all likelyhood is about to retire is really grasping.
How about comparing them to guys like Downie, Jones, Mueller or McGinn.
makes no sense...
At this note... Karlson is the better player for sure but I would rather have
Subban
Statements like this IMO are nothing but trying to stir things up.
COL is much better down the middle and defensively. EDM is stacked on the wing.
And no I would not rather have Landeskog then Hall going forward.
Wolski has more raw talent than Ryan O'Reilly. Which one would you pick?
Then prove it. There is no way anybody can say that Johnson had a better year than Smid. Smid is a Dan Hamhuis level player. Laugh all you want but you'll see.
Petry was as good as Johnson, if not better. I would not trade Petry for Johnson just because he went 1st overall. He has done NOTHING to justify that slot, nor has he done anything to justify being called a #1 defenseman. I heard what Armstrong said when he was traded, and i've seen plenty of the player myself to know that it is you being the "homer" here. Seriously some tangiable evidence to support your claims would be great.
Petry will be a norris candidate someday he's incredible... EJ is only the Avs number one because they don't have any good defenseman. Smid definitely had a better year than Johnson he helped secure that there #1 overall pick.
Then prove it. There is no way anybody can say that Johnson had a better year than Smid. Smid is a Dan Hamhuis level player. Laugh all you want but you'll see.
Petry was as good as Johnson, if not better. I would not trade Petry for Johnson just because he went 1st overall. He has done NOTHING to justify that slot, nor has he done anything to justify being called a #1 defenseman. I heard what Armstrong said when he was traded, and i've seen plenty of the player myself to know that it is you being the "homer" here. Seriously some tangiable evidence to support your claims would be great.
Don't try to argue with facts, they have no place here.
Tell me this, if Smid is on Dan Hamhuis' level, Petry was as good or better than Johnson, and Dubnyk is a good starting goalie on Varlamovs level, why did Edmonton finish 23rd worst in goals allowed vs. Colorado who was 11th in goals against.
We didn't have Landeskog to carry our whole team on his back almost to the playoffs duh.
We didn't have Landeskog to carry our whole team on his back almost to the playoffs duh.
Its amazing how a team with such stud forwards, a Dan Hamhuis level dman and a better E. Johnson plus a young stud goalie like Dubnyk finished 2nd worst in the league.
Whoever is playing with Petry must be your best defenceman. That guy is a turnover king. If he had played all 82 games, he would have had a comfortable lead in most giveaways by defencemen. Plus how does such an amazing defenceman average less than 22 minutes a night on the worst defensive group in the league, on the second worst team in the NHL?
Whoever is playing with Petry must be your best defenceman. That guy is a turnover king. If he had played all 82 games, he would have had a comfortable lead in most giveaways by defencemen. Plus how does such an amazing defenceman average less than 22 minutes a night on the worst defensive group in the league, on the second worst team in the NHL?
Petry only started getting top pairing minutes in the second half of the season when he excelled so those numbers are skewed. He was playing well over 22 minutes a night every night in the last 30 games or so same with the turnovers, he cut down on those big time in the same stretch.
Everyone knows that if a player has physicality to go along with slightly above average offensive skills that they are the best player to build around.
at least, 25 teams would want the Edmonton Oilers core.
I prefer the Avs. Thats a ridiculous statement, I think alot of teams would prefer there core to the core of the last place team in the league plus a #1 overall. They have no defence and a mediocre goaltender. Good luck in the future, they have alot more tanking to do in order to fulfill there goal of a team of #1 overalls.
lol Oiler fans? I've seen an Avs fan say that the Avs wouldn't trade Varlamov or EJ for any of the Oilers kids? Yeah ok.
I've also seen an Avs fan say that Landeskog > Hall. Yeah ok.
Give me a break.
Saying the Avs core might be better is one thing but saying those things above is pretty lol worthy if you ask me.
Although the Oiler fan saying that he wouldn't trade Petry for EJ is setting himself up for ridicule.
I've seen an Oilers fan say anybody in their right mind would trade Varlamov + EJ for any of the Oilers top 3.
I've seen an Oilers fan say that Smid was miles better than EJ.
I've seen an Oilers fan say that they obviously have the better core than Colorado.
Let's be honest, there's been some pretty ridiculous homerific posts in this thread thus far. Some things are going to come down to opinion, Landeskog/Hall is an opinion both fan bases will have (I for one would not trade them 1 for 1) until they mature as NHL players. But to say things like what has been highlighted is just pathetic.
Take off the homer glasses for just a minute. RNH is a franchise player, but Landeskog has almost peaked, right? That's the types of things being told to us Avs fans about our players.
What is stopping RNH from having the same career success as Stastny? I've read statements that describe RNH almost exactly like Stastny. Being a P/G for his first 5 years in the league and having 3 - 80 point seasons would be considered a success for RNH.
The Avs have the stronger core overall. EJ is clearly the best defender between the two teams. Varlamov is clearly the best goaltender between the two teams. If the Oilers' youth gets their potential factored in, so does EJ and Varly's.
But the Oilers have the stronger core offensively. Given the fact both teams have a very solid prospect base (and only getting better for the Oilers this draft), it could change very quickly in the next couple years as prospects begin to demonstrate whether they are "core material" or not.
Furthermore, I don't understand how Oilers' fans expect their team to get a young budding #1 defender without giving up one of these young forwards.
