Not sure if you are saying that he's got better vision than Yakupov but if so, then it leads me to think you have never watched Yakupov play. Nail has shown this year to be as dangerous setting up teammates as he was shooting himself. It's a dimension that makes him a complete offensive player.
No need to get aggressive, I'm sure he's seen Yakupov play several times.
Not that I agree that Grigorenko is more well rounded in the offensive zone than Yakupov, but I do agree about his vision being ahead of Yakupov's at this stage of their development. His playmaking and his vision are definitely Grigorenko's best skills. He has elite vision, especially on the PP.
Not sure if you are saying that he's got better vision than Yakupov but if so, then it leads me to think you have never watched Yakupov play. Nail has shown this year to be as dangerous setting up teammates as he was shooting himself. It's a dimension that makes him a complete offensive player.
ya im saying he has better vision than Yakupov...you saying he doesn't shows me you never really watched Grigorenko play...i have seen both play live a number of times and ya grigorenko has better vision. Sakic was a good passer too but not as good as a guy like Adam Oates, just because one is decent does not mean the other one is not better.
I went to games 3 and 4 to see him for the first time live. He didn't really challenge anyone 1 on 1, makes smart passes but didn't really show his ability to beat players on his own. Is this because of his ankle? or is this not an asset of his?
Grigorenko likes to skate with the puck usually, I think with his injury he is not skating as much with it....his passing is his main asset and his size could be too, he has an underrated shot, but he keeps things simple when moving most times and is able to take advantage of any lane given to him.
A better game for Grigorenko, his best this week. That being said, it hasn't been his best week. As always, he shows elite level vision, playmaking and puck-handling. Made a nice little feed on Quebec's second goal that was eventually put away.
He still needs to bring a better compete level, shift-in shift-out. He has struggled with the tight checking Halifax has brought, as they've been pretty physical on him. He can be strong on the puck when he wants to, but too often he gets knocked off of it. He's very rarely won battles along the boards.
Lastly, I'm convinced he's still hurt. He has no acceleration, and is often the last man back. It's too bad because it's tough to get a read on him. Even if he's hurt, his overall lack of a high-compete level has me worried. Unfortunately it may be the last time I'll be able to see him live. Selfishly I hope he's back next year so I can see his progression.
A better game for Grigorenko, his best this week. That being said, it hasn't been his best week. As always, he shows elite level vision, playmaking and puck-handling. Made a nice little feed on Quebec's second goal that was eventually put away.
He still needs to bring a better compete level, shift-in shift-out. He has struggled with the tight checking Halifax has brought, as they've been pretty physical on him. He can be strong on the puck when he wants to, but too often he gets knocked off of it. He's very rarely won battles along the boards.
Lastly, I'm convinced he's still hurt. He has no acceleration, and is often the last man back. It's too bad because it's tough to get a read on him. Even if he's hurt, his overall lack of a high-compete level has me worried. Unfortunately it may be the last time I'll be able to see him live. Selfishly I hope he's back next year so I can see his progression.
Its a shame for sure. He must be very frustrated because I am sure he really wants to take over these games. Plus, if he blames it on the injury it does not look too great on attitude.
A better game for Grigorenko, his best this week. That being said, it hasn't been his best week. As always, he shows elite level vision, playmaking and puck-handling. Made a nice little feed on Quebec's second goal that was eventually put away.
He still needs to bring a better compete level, shift-in shift-out. He has struggled with the tight checking Halifax has brought, as they've been pretty physical on him. He can be strong on the puck when he wants to, but too often he gets knocked off of it. He's very rarely won battles along the boards.
Lastly, I'm convinced he's still hurt. He has no acceleration, and is often the last man back. It's too bad because it's tough to get a read on him. Even if he's hurt, his overall lack of a high-compete level has me worried. Unfortunately it may be the last time I'll be able to see him live. Selfishly I hope he's back next year so I can see his progression.
He missed a few shifts in the third and I figured he was hurting but he returned in the final five minutes or so and I thought it was the best he's looked all series. It made me wonder if Roy was fed up with his loafing and benched him for a bit. He's worrisome, that's for sure.
He missed a few shifts in the third and I figured he was hurting but he returned in the final five minutes or so and I thought it was the best he's looked all series. It made me wonder if Roy was fed up with his loafing and benched him for a bit. He's worrisome, that's for sure.
You can't think Roy would do this in a playoffs circumstance. If he did that's poor coaching, but injury really is the number 1 suspect.
Watched the Mooseheads-Remparts game last night. It was my second game watching Grigorenko live and in person. You can't judge a player based off of two games, but Grigorenko has been largely underwhelming in both games. You can see that he has skill but isn't really using it. He has size, but doesn't use it as he should. I'm not sure if he is tired but he doesn't really seem to be engaging in the "playoff" style hockey and is kind of floating out there. Antropov in Ponikarovski's frame is the best example I can think of off the top of my head. His size will be a benefit though in the same way it is for Colborne.
You can't think Roy would do this in a playoffs circumstance. If he did that's poor coaching, but injury really is the number 1 suspect.
you are wrong. it is great coaching to sit a player on their duff if they are loafing around. it is also great coaching to sit a guy down for a few shifts to provide a slight rest to an injury. either way, if grigorenko came back to the game and looked good (as per the comment of the poster above), roy was correct regardless of why he chose that coaching strategy.
Grigorenko likes to skate with the puck usually, I think with his injury he is not skating as much with it....his passing is his main asset and his size could be too, he has an underrated shot, but he keeps things simple when moving most times and is able to take advantage of any lane given to him.
If you were a Habs fan would you want them to take him? or do you think Forsberg or Galchenyuk would be a better option?
Forsberg and Gally are looking a lot better to the Habs now probs. He's been dropping for most of the season and this playoff won't help. He HAS to be injured... Because in the 10 or so games i've seen with him, he looks like a guy who might go in the Top 5.
You don't really notice him on the ice, and MacKinnon is outplaying him, because you notice Nate. Randell and Critchlow have done a great job containing him and checking him hard... On the edge of finishing your check and penalty, but at least it's sorta working
If you were a Habs fan would you want them to take him? or do you think Forsberg or Galchenyuk would be a better option?
i actually am a Habs fan.........I would want them to take him....I know he has work ethic problems and I been getting on him for it, but I think him playing with an injury is just leaving me with a bad taste in my mouth, the guy is super skilled, amazing hands and vision, deadly offensive player....with Roy potentially going to Montreal, I think Grigorenko once healthy will want to play hard again.
I like him and I don't wish him Montreal's pressure. Not because I think he can't handle it, but I know how it can be overwhelming. Montreal's pressure has eaten a lot of character players.
I'd take Galchenyuk but I wouldn't be surprised if Grigorenko ends up being a better player.
With Grigorenko (and Yakupov), you have the chance at hitting a home run. I just dont see Galchenyuk and Forsberg having the same upside.
That being said, i remember another potential home run for the Habs that turned into Andre kostitsyn... They passed over guys like Getzlaf, Parise, Brown and Carter.
I dont know when Montreal will draft this high again so taking a chance at a home run -big first line center capable of 80-90 pts a year - is worth it in my opinion.
With Grigorenko (and Yakupov), you have the chance at hitting a home run. I just dont see Galchenyuk and Forsberg having the same upside.
That being said, i remember another potential home run for the Habs that turned into Andre kostitsyn... They passed over guys like Getzlaf, Parise, Brown and Carter.
I dont know when Montreal will draft this high again so taking a chance at a home run -big first line center capable of 80-90 pts a year - is worth it in my opinion.
IMO if Montreal decides to draft Forsberg or Galchenyuk I think would be better for them to trade down a few spots then and not stay at 3rd.....that said Grigorenko IMO probably will not be as much of a problem as some think.
IMO if Montreal decides to draft Forsberg or Galchenyuk I think would be better for them to trade down a few spots then and not stay at 3rd.....that said Grigorenko IMO probably will not be as much of a problem as some think.
My guess is Filip, Galy and Grigs will all be gone by 5 at the latest. If your looking for a forward best not to trade down
My guess is Filip, Galy and Grigs will all be gone by 5 at the latest. If your looking for a forward best not to trade down
well if your not going to take Grigorenko there, montreal might as well trade with a team two spots down and get another pick in the draft as well and still get the guy they want...that would any make sense...........
Nail Yakupov
Mikhail Grigorenko
Filip Forsberg
Alex Galchynek
Sebastien Collberg
Radek Faksa
Tomas Hertl
these are the top forwards in the draft IMO im sure they can look at getting one of these guys..Collberg is too underrated on this board, I think he has potential to turn out better than Forsberg
i actually am a Habs fan.........I would want them to take him....I know he has work ethic problems and I been getting on him for it, but I think him playing with an injury is just leaving me with a bad taste in my mouth, the guy is super skilled, amazing hands and vision, deadly offensive player....with Roy potentially going to Montreal, I think Grigorenko once healthy will want to play hard again.
Well that makes me feel a bit better about what is potentially going to happen.
If it's 40 goals on 102 shots that has to be some kind of record for shooting % in a players first 100 shots! 
