I agree with what you say Soj, but he really needs to look at either cutting back his giveaways or increasing his takeaways.
I would think he needs to work on his giveaways since his takeaways have been consistent for the past 4 seasons while his giveaways are getting worse each season.
I really think that if he works on that then he will be more of a force on the ice than what we have seen from him so far. Just my opinion obviously.
No argument from me. I agree. Getzlaf has a tendency, IMO, to be too casual with the puck. It bothers me when he gets the puck on his stick, and it feels like you could flip a coin on whether he turns it over.
Some had lower years than last year, but still have respectable numbers. I.e. Perry, Ryan, teemu, fowler, etc...
But Getz's production and his offensive attitude and his effort this season do not warrant 1st line minutes, a C on his jersey, or the money he made.
11 goals.
I love Getz, but if this is his "sound, defensive centering" then maybe he's more of a second line guy.
About the 11 goals, Getzlaf is and always will be a playmaker. He was shooting far more this year but had terrible luck that's reflected in his career low shooting %. His shooting % will jump back somewhere around his career average next year and you can expect his usual 20-25 goal output.
I think you're making far too big a deal out of one bad year. 27 year olds as good as Getzlaf don't just lose all of their ability for no reason overnight. And Ryan had less points than Getzlaf, how can his numbers be deemed acceptable but Getzlaf's not?
And as for the money he makes, $5.3M is probably market value for a 55-60 point centre these days. So even in his bad year he's still probably worth his contract.
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I agree with what you say Soj, but he really needs to look at either cutting back his giveaways or increasing his takeaways.
I would think he needs to work on his giveaways since his takeaways have been consistent for the past 4 seasons while his giveaways are getting worse each season.
I really think that if he works on that then he will be more of a force on the ice than what we have seen from him so far. Just my opinion obviously.
The giveaway stat is fairly meaningless. Players who have the puck a lot will always have more giveaways than those that rarely have it. Since our offense goes through Getzlaf, he's always going to have a lot more giveaways than our other players. Kovalchuk had 120 giveaways yet nobody in NJ seems to be complaining about him this season. Getzlaf does have a tendency to try and be too fancy at times but I don't think that will ever change.
It was combination of both horrible luck and some poor decision making throughout the year. Much of it was because of how snakebitten he was, imo. There were A LOT of plays this year where somebody didn't finish or where he had an open net, but missed etc. Many of the players had poor seasons too, so it's not like he had 55 points while Perry put up 90+ again, and Lubo had 70.
Getz doesn't strike me as a flash in the pan type of player. We know he's not - he's had 5 or 6 great years prior to this. I want to see some of that aggression that he's famous for, though. Maybe he'll be a bit better next year since his child will be older.
I'll chalk this up as an "off" year.
But no one can deny the game to game effort of Getzlaf is iffy at best, over the years. His effort the first few months was pathetic.
and Bobby Ryan, IDC if he scored 30 goals, he needs to take training a little more seriously in the off-season
This has been the hardest that Getzlaf has ever Played night in and night out AINEC. People are high if they want to ship him out. First, he doesn't play hard enough but is putting up enough points for it to be ok, now he isn't putting up enough points to counteract the fact he is playing hard. Some of your are ridiculous. Nothing Getlzaf ever does for some of you, including myself, will ever be good enoug.
This has been the hardest that Getzlaf has ever Played night in and night out AINEC. People are high if they want to ship him out. First, he doesn't play hard enough but is putting up enough points for it to be ok, now he isn't putting up enough points to counteract the fact he is playing hard. Some of your are ridiculous. Nothing Getlzaf ever does for some of you, including myself, will ever be good enoug.
Well, I don't think it actually needs to be said, but yes, obviously an actually productive Getzlaf can try as little as he wants, and be of more help to this team than any version of a (relatively) unproductive Getzlaf. Simply getting the impression of him playing hard doesn't make up for that, at all. You can be certain that what he has done "for some of us" and himself this year won't be good enough for himself, either, and that's a good thing.
Obviously, that doesn't mean he's going to get shipped out (unless he wants to, which we have no indication for), or that this is his new standard. But he'll have to be better for this club next year, I don't think anyone could really see that differently.
Well, I don't think it actually needs to be said, but yes, obviously an actually productive Getzlaf can try as little as he wants, and be of more help to this team than any version of a (relatively) unproductive Getzlaf. Simply getting the impression of him playing hard doesn't make up for that, at all. You can be certain that what he has done "for some of us" and himself this year won't be good enough for himself, either, and that's a good thing.
Obviously, that doesn't mean he's going to get shipped out (unless he wants to, which we have no indication for), or that this is his new standard. But he'll have to be better for this club next year, I don't think anyone could really see that differently.
Completely agree with all points. I just remember a lot of us, including myself, saying that if Getzlaf played hard every shift he could be as good as he wanted too. This season he has been playing harder than he ever has, but has not been nearly as good offensively. I'm confident Getzlaf will come back with a solid season next year.
theres just something about getzlaf that keeps every real ducks fan wanting more. He has some of the best gamebreaker potential in the nhl (even above perry/ryan) but we have really yet to see what he can do. I think this team in the playoffs next year could be dangerous.
If Getz was as driven as Messier, he would be the beast we all see
in stretches. Late in the year, his effort was better,
so I'm in the camp that maybe a full year with BB will possibly help.
If he starts slowly, and shows inconsistent effort next year,
then he is simply the guy who fell to the Ducks in the draft. A great
talent with some baggage. Let's hope he isn't that guy
If Getz was as driven as Messier, he would be the beast we all see
in stretches. Late in the year, his effort was better,
so I'm in the camp that maybe a full year with BB will possibly help.
If he starts slowly, and shows inconsistent effort next year,
then he is simply the guy who fell to the Ducks in the draft. A great
talent with some baggage. Let's hope he isn't that guy
Even when I read it after I posted it, I knew Messier being mentioned
BUT, There is a reason the greats become the greats. Focus desire, and effort
join with talent to create something special. Getz shows it in flashes, but inconsistently
IMO so far. Would be a lot of fun to see him put it together though
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First of all: I can't understand all that hate towards Getzlaf. Yes, he has had a horrible year, but so did virtually all the other players sans Sbisa and Teemu. It doesn't break his career, nor does it minimizes (or simply lower) his trade value. He is our captain, and like it or not, he deserves it.
One thing that came across my mind, though, bugged me quite a bit. Do you remember how BB (Brian Burke this time) back in the days said publically, that Getzlaf will be the Ducks' next captain once Scotty retires?
Well, Scotty and Teemu both missed the bigger part of the 2007-08 campaign because they were mulling about where or not to retire. This probably might have given Getzlaf the idea that "early season games are not that important". No matter if this was done consciously or not, him as well as Perry and -to an extent- Frankie seem to have grown acustom to that idea, and this is in part responsible for the Ducks' horrible starts into the season in recent years.
Yes, I think that Getz deserves the C. I am not in the locker room, and I am not on the ice to observe Getz, but he was given a C for some reason and I have faith that RC/BB decided on that for wise reasons. I also think that removing the C from Getz causes many potential problems. I think 'removing the C' as a trick to motivate him would be a fairly petty thing.
Most people love Getz and really, where Getz goes, the Ducks go.
But maybe he is our #2 C option. People are talking about trading Ryan or trading our #1 pick or both.
Why look toward dealing Ryan and/or our #1 pick for a guy who is obviously a #2 center?
I think that we should be looking to be getting the best player in any trade involving Ryan or the #1 pick. That might mean we are looking for a #1 center.
Its not a knock against Getzlaf, and he is still the center of the Getz/Perry line... but I'd like to see us 'look up' when we think about potential centers to add to this team, not look down. I know guys like Richards (for example) aren't' available every day, but neither are youngster #2 C's with good upside.
If you (for example) throw Ryan in a trade for an obvious #2 center... a 20g/60 pt kinda guy who can take face offs, then I'm not too excited. But if you tell me you want to look at moving Ryan++ for a legit, #1 center and you can manage to keep our #6 pick to grab a winger that is NHL ready... then I am a bit more excited
Getz is angry on himself. BB said that in one interview, and he mentioned that Getzy is trying to hide it, because he is a Captain and cant express that he is ''weak''.
Getz have that leadership you want in a captain.
Imo he will be fine next year. And if not - we could try to resign him for cheap.
I want him to stay for sure! Go Getz Go!
Getzlaf is quite the enigma. As others have said, he always seems to leave you wanting more. This year it was quite a bit more.
The problem is, you will never get fair value if you trade a guy like this. And when you look at the numbers, even this year's abysmal performance equates to a #2C output. Still better than anything else the Ducks have.
I think wearing the C just adds to his burden. If there was a way to take it from him without causing more of a problem I think it would help him and the team.
I think the best you can do is work with him and keep sending him out there, hoping something clicks to make him the player everyone knows and expects he can be. Hell, even just the player he was before this year would be good. Another year like this past one just isn't acceptable.
I think it's crazy that it's being suggested that Getzlaf is a #2C. Since the 07-08 season, when he stepped up to be the top Center (I think that was when he did), he ranks #7 among all centers in PPG and that even includes his stats from this season, which obviously brings his average down.
Reference Link And that isn't even including everything he does that doesn't show up on the score sheet. Anybody suggesting he's 2C material with those stats is seriously misguided on what a 1C should be putting up.
I think it's crazy that it's being suggested that Getzlaf is a #2C. Since the 07-08 season, when he stepped up to be the top Center (I think that was when he did), he ranks #7 among all centers in PPG and that even includes his stats from this season, which obviously brings his average down.
Reference Link And that isn't even including everything he does that doesn't show up on the score sheet. Anybody suggesting he's 2C material with those stats is seriously misguided on what a 1C should be putting up.
Uh, I didn't say he was a #2C, I said his output last year was equal to one. And your own link would confirm that.
As to "everything he does that doesn't show up on the score sheet".....would that be the constant berating and whining he does at the officials every game on almost every call? That which not only takes his focus away from the game but also can alienate officials such that marginal call will tend to go against him and the team? Quite honestly Getzlaf gets distracted way too easily on the ice. It may be the biggest reason he has not become the monster player everyone thinks he can be. Getz would be served better by living the creed, "don't get mad, get even".
And here is what makes his behavior on the ice so much more disappointing...he never learns. He lost his captaincy in juniors for the exact same reason, no self discipline. Seven and a half years later it appears nothing has changed.
"Team coaches had a meeting with Getzlaf and assistants Brett O'Malley, Andrew Ladd and Darryl Yacboski Friday and told them their leader would no longer don the 'C' on his jersey after taking too many 10-minute misconducts for yapping with referees.
"It was a decision we made because we've sat him and sat him and sat him and he still hadn't responded to that, so if it continually happens then you have to find another way to make him aware of it," said Hitmen co-coach Dean Evason. "
Uh, I didn't say he was a #2C, I said his output last year was equal to one. And your own link would confirm that.
As to "everything he does that doesn't show up on the score sheet".....would that be the constant berating and whining he does at the officials every game on almost every call? That which not only takes his focus away from the game but also can alienate officials such that marginal call will tend to go against him and the team? Quite honestly Getzlaf gets distracted way too easily on the ice. It may be the biggest reason he has not become the monster player everyone thinks he can be. Getz would be served better by living the creed, "don't get mad, get even".
And here is what makes his behavior on the ice so much more disappointing...he never learns. He lost his captaincy in juniors for the exact same reason, no self discipline. Seven and a half years later it appears nothing has changed.
"Team coaches had a meeting with Getzlaf and assistants Brett O'Malley, Andrew Ladd and Darryl Yacboski Friday and told them their leader would no longer don the 'C' on his jersey after taking too many 10-minute misconducts for yapping with referees.
"It was a decision we made because we've sat him and sat him and sat him and he still hadn't responded to that, so if it continually happens then you have to find another way to make him aware of it," said Hitmen co-coach Dean Evason. "
Uh, never did I mention it being you...Actually, it was 'Theridion' that suggested he was a #2 center, so I'm not sure why you're quoting me with your post and calling me out. Secondly, you're taking Getzlaf's negative qualities and acting as though they erase all of his positives. Up until this season, he was arguably a top 5 center in the league and most definitely considered a top 10. That was not just due to his point totals, but his physical presence on the ice, as well, and his ability to take control of games. I have no problem with someone pointing out his flaws, but at least give credit where it's due if you're going to pick him apart.
Uh, never did I mention it being you...Actually, it was 'Theridion' that suggested he was a #2 center, so I'm not sure why you're quoting me with your post and calling me out. Secondly, you're taking Getzlaf's negative qualities and acting as though they erase all of his positives. Up until this season, he was arguably a top 5 center in the league and most definitely considered a top 10. That was not just due to his point totals, but his physical presence on the ice, as well, and his ability to take control of games. I have no problem with someone pointing out his flaws, but at least give credit where it's due if you're going to pick him apart.
I wasn't calling you out. I'm sorry if it came across that way. Getzlaf, yeah, I'm calling him out.
My main point was that he is an undisciplined player on the ice and is his own worst enemy. And, other than the points he puts up I believe his undisciplined play hurts the team far more than the fact that he occasionally throws a big check. Other than his scoring (which generally is a lot and not to be underestimated) I don't see him adding much to the team like you do. I can't remember the last time I saw him take control of a game (like we both know he can and should). Certainly there is no leadership being displayed.
Getzlaf needs to learn to keep his mouth shut and focus on the game. It's obvious to anybody he gets way too upset way too often at the officials. You can't do your best work when you are constantly distracted. It's a problem the whole team shares at times, but then look at their captain and so called leader.
When Scotty was captain you didn't see the constant whining and barking at officials every game like you do now. There was a professionalism of just focusing on your job and getting it done. But apparently Getzlaf learned nothing during that time just like he learned nothing being stripped of his captaincy in juniors.
I think everybody is frustrated at what Getzlaf could be but so far isn't.
