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I doubt any of those could get you a first. MacArthur a 2nd. Bozak a 2nd. Later picks for the rest.
BB was offered a 1st for MacArthur. He turned it down. Most of the rest would easily fetch a 2nd or 3rd. Franson would likely fetch a 1st due to his age/potential.
BB was offered a 1st for MacArthur. He turned it down.
That's not a fact, that's what he said. I love Burkie, but it would be short-sighted to believe everything he says. He is a smart person and almost always has an objective when he says something, which sometimes has him say things that are not true or what he believes in. Also, it was at the deadline, where overpayments happen more likely than at other times; so if it was offered, it wouldn't mean it would be again.
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Franson would likely fetch a 1st due to his age/potential.
I have to severely doubt that. He certainly wasn't worth that with and/or for the Preds, and I don't see his year having helped that a lot. Would be best to keep him.
BB was offered a 1st for MacArthur. He turned it down. Most of the rest would easily fetch a 2nd or 3rd. Franson would likely fetch a 1st due to his age/potential.
Burke saying it doesn't make it true (actually far from it, look no farther than the goalie situation)... not to mention deadline = inflated value.
BB was offered a 1st for MacArthur. He turned it down. Most of the rest would easily fetch a 2nd or 3rd. Franson would likely fetch a 1st due to his age/potential.
Maybe at the deadline, but I doubt it. MacArthur has had one good year, he just isn't worth a first round pick. Franson has done nothing to be worth one either. The rest are all overpaid. While I wouldn't go as far as saying they have negative or zero value, they have very little, at least during the offseason. If you were to wait until the deadline, I'm sure at least a few of them could return 2nd/3rd.
MacArthur MAY get a LATE first round pick from a contending team that needs to add depth to their scoring. His cap hit is decent for the production he provides, and he has had two decent seasons under his belt. So the possibility is there for a team to offer a first round pick for MacArthur.
For the other players listed you are looking at middle round draft picks 3-5 range if no salary is exchanged. If salary dumps from the other team is added, than value can be adjusted accordingly.
MacArthur getting any first round pick is like saying Raymond is worth a first round pick. Burke has his head so far up his own ass that he is like the Captain of the Titanic.
Lombardi (7th - from a team taking a risk with potential upside)
Armstrong (3rd - Was solid before all the injuries and could regain form)
Komisarek (5th - His cap is 4.5 and his salary is 3.5. Could be a smart move for a team just wanting to make minimum cap)
MacArthur (18-26th overall pick - solid 2nd liner, I am very happy keeping him)
Bozak (25-32nd overall - Good faceoff man, I would like to keep him as a 3rd line centre)
Connolly (2nd - Only one year left on his contract, servicable player//high cap)
Franson (2nd - Good 6-7 defencemen with potential to be more)
None of those players are worth a first by themselves. I'd deal a first for Kulemin and considering Vancouver might be bounced. That could be higher than usual. I doubt the Leafs are interested. Franson for a second is worth consideration.
Macarthur could easily land a 2nd round pick at the draft.
Franson could likely land a late 1st round pick.
Tyler Bozak could be worth a second rounder or possibly a very late 1st.
None of the other players have any true value (except potentially as rentals next trade deadline).
I could see Burke moving Macarthur for an early second and try to get Tom Wilson. Franson could also be moved if there's a player Burke and co. really like in the 20's and a team picking in that range is interested in him. I don't see us trading Tyler Bozak this off-season.
That's not a fact, that's what he said. I love Burkie, but it would be short-sighted to believe everything he says. He is a smart person and almost always has an objective when he says something, which sometimes has him say things that are not true or what he believes in. Also, it was at the deadline, where overpayments happen more likely than at other times; so if it was offered, it wouldn't mean it would be again.
I have to severely doubt that. He certainly wasn't worth that with and/or for the Preds, and I don't see his year having helped that a lot. Would be best to keep him.
Dreger tweeted it before Burke said anything so I don't know about that.
Lombardi - 7th or future considerations
Armstrong - 3rd of 4th round pick
Komisarek - 5th to 7th round pick
MacArthur - late 1st or 2nd round pick
Bozak - late 2nd or 3rd round pick
Connolly - 3rd to 4th round pick
Franson - mid 2nd to 3rd round pick
That is about where I would value the players you listed.
Keep in mind these are their values at the draft, not at the deadline.
That would be roughly the return I expect for most of them.
I should have explained better that I think the leafs would be looking to make a package to move them with more talent or lower picks to obtain a higher pick, not that I expect a second or first in return for each of them. That was poor wording on my part.
Like for example, total shot in the dark, with the speculation going around that dallas may be looking to add secondary scoring given that not many scored outside of Benn, Ribiero, Eriksson, and Ryder, perhaps they would have interest in adding MacArthur.
I am not sure what that defensive situation looks like, but might it be possible to do something like....
Spare parts aren't gonna get you a 1st. If the Leafs can get another second they can use that to move up into the late 1st round. The 35th holds good value in that sense
Spare parts aren't gonna get you a 1st. If the Leafs can get another second they can use that to move up into the late 1st round. The 35th holds good value in that sense
yeah, read above ,that was a mistake in wording on my part.
Would trade one of Tampas 2nds (either FLAs if they get it, or PHIs) for Franson.
It would be a start I think, but given that a 2nd and a roster player were offered before the deadline, I think they might want a little more (really little) compensation.
then again, roster player easily could have been a salary dump for all we know.
It would be a start I think, but given that a 2nd and a roster player were offered before the deadline, I think they might want a little more (really little) compensation.
then again, roster player easily could have been a salary dump for all we know.
Thats the difference between deadline and draft day.
Also, it was at the deadline, where overpayments happen more likely than at other times; so if it was offered, it wouldn't mean it would be again. 
