Devils pride...just want to be as honest with you as I can...the best offer price-wise we've emailed out has been the single game, $55 and soda. I don't foresee a lower offer coming out. If your budget is in the 40-45 range, I'd suggest maybe waiting to see how stub hub moves. About 800+ tickets have sold over $50 in the last two days and there are over 1,100 left. It will depend if sales continue at that pace, or slow down. If it slows, you may see prices drop on the remaining inventory. But it's very hard to tell. I think some people are waiting to see if we win both in Florida...and purchase only game 4 instead of 3 hoping for a clIncher game. Just saying what I've heard from fans. I'm scared like anyone else in this series...as any team in the playoffs is dangerous and momentum can change quickly.
On the 40-45 tix, the only think to take into consideration is, on SH you pay 10 in fees..so you'd want to wait till you see 30 or 35.
If people are in a position to go to Game 3 OR 4 (but not both), then at this point I would think they would all run to Game 4. After last night's result, while Game 3 will be big (either to re-take the series lead or pretty much wrap it up), Game 4 will either be to end the series or (more likely) be an absolutely critical game with someone up 2-1 going in).
If people are in a position to go to Game 3 OR 4 (but not both), then at this point I would think they would all run to Game 4. After last night's result, while Game 3 will be big (either to re-take the series lead or pretty much wrap it up), Game 4 will either be to end the series or (more likely) be an absolutely critical game with someone up 2-1 going in).
For the last week, single game full priced sales on TM for game 4 have outpaced game 3. So the fan who isn't getting emails/is just buying based on witnessing the series and isnt comparing deals is buying for 4 over 3.
Part of that...only a small part tho...we do get better sales numbers on Thursday than Tuesday. Maybe it's cause people are willing to take off on Fridays? Donno...
Mask means, where they sell their seats and potentially move people in order to show tv that it looks more full than it is. Sometimes it's luck...and just where people buy. But in their case, since they comped 3,500, they put them in good spots to appear full on tv.
Gotcha. I remember once a long time ago we were given free WWF tickets (first and only time I'll go see that, lol). They herded us in and I was surprised to see EVERYONE sitting on one side of the arena, the side that TNT's cameras pointed at, so it looked like a completely packed, sold-out venue, when in reality it was 1/2 full. lol
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we do get better sales numbers on Thursday than Tuesday. Maybe it's cause people are willing to take off on Fridays? Donno...
Plus lots of folks by tradition go out on Thursday nights (myself included) even if they dont take off on Friday. Bars do a healthy Thursday night business.
I'm a current sth with you guys and I was wondering if I can still receive the sth price on playoff strips if I decide to purchase an additional two seats.
Would I receive hard tickets or would I just have to print them from my account?
I'm a current sth with you guys and I was wondering if I can still receive the sth price on playoff strips if I decide to purchase an additional two seats.
Would I receive hard tickets or would I just have to print them from my account?
We should be able to help you with the strips. However you would be directed to pick up the hard tickets at the box office on the night of game 3. Hope that helps. Email me Monday and I can help you out.
We're working on it. The extra long window helps. I think we, like all of you, want to shake the stigma of many years of the Devils not being able to fill the building for playoff games. It's a process...but we've got an organization full of folks who are pushing for it and motivated by it...and fans like you who are on board and want to see it happen are a big help. Thanks for the support.
If you want to shake the stigma drop the prices 20% for playoffs next season. Place will be full. Tix sold on first day available. Everyone can go home.
As you said, owners don't run these teams for profit.
Seriously, there are more than enough fans to fill the building. You guys just need to find the price where they are willing to come.
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Amen. Thursdays are still my favorite night to go out.
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Seriously, there are more than enough fans to fill the building. You guys just need to find the price where they are willing to come.
I know I've said this 1000 times, but they couldn't care less about filling the building, they're interested in maximizing revenue.
I believe it is a substantial long-term strategic mistake, but they know what they're doing.
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You mean face fiction?
I have a 2010 Wrangler I'll sell you. Asking (face) price is $95k. But I'll be willing to discount it significantly, a third off just for you.
Hers arent even the worst example. I think that award goes to the Lower Level behind the nets offered at ~$110 on TM, yours for ~$75 on Stubhub after fees, and the ~$135 on TM, yours for about ~$84.
We should be able to help you with the strips. However you would be directed to pick up the hard tickets at the box office on the night of game 3. Hope that helps. Email me Monday and I can help you out.
DSA, can you share with us what the "telephone offer" is that people are talking about?
Us diehard fans really want our building to be full next week, the more people know about promos the better.
I bought three separate extra strips, different price points. I assume the only real tickets I'm at risk on are Round 1 Games 3/4. If Round 1 goes six games I assume I can sell those at my actual cost, same for Round 2. Given this, I use the F&B card of $100 per pair to offset the cost of R1 G3/4 only.
My math on the set of the tickets for R1 G3/4 I sold on here earlier, all on a per ticket basis (section 16):
Face Fiction (who cares): $100
Actual cost to me, first round, including fees: $87
Actual cost, less F&B: $62
Sold: $65 with free shipping
Having eliminated R1 G3/4 I see very little risk in this transaction. There is a bit of upside in R2 especially if we play the Flyers and huge upside with the odds on favorite scenario of facing the Rags. Section 16 at the Pru is similar to the 100 corners at MSG where the sold price on SH is $250 and up. Have to think I'll net $100 per ticket for the similar seats at Pru for a Rags series.
I may have taken 10 more seats if the Rags and Bruins went 2-0 today rather than 1-1. The idea of pulling the Caps though prevents me. Wouldn't want to be long 20+ seats for each of the first two games of that series. Financially I think the risk/reward is still there, it's just the PITA of offloading that many less desirable tickets.
Hers arent even the worst example. I think that award goes to the Lower Level behind the nets offered at ~$110 on TM, yours for ~$75 on Stubhub after fees, and the ~$135 on TM, yours for about ~$84.
Ouch. The seller is netting 15% less, which means those $110 behind the nets are getting him $60. All resellers betting on a Rags series.
Devils are in a world of pain in a Rags series. The front office is prostituting out potential Rags R2 games to pump out R1 at inflated prices. If we play the Rags I feel sorry for the players. Our place is going to look like MSG.
Ouch. The seller is netting 15% less, which means those $110 behind the nets are getting him $60. All resellers betting on a Rags series.
Devils are in a world of pain in a Rags series. The front office is prostituting out potential Rags R2 games to pump out R1 at inflated prices. If we play the Rags I feel sorry for the players. Our place is going to look like MSG.
as we jews sort of say on passover, why would this year be any different than all others?
I love the opinions on here, but there are some real misses.
First off, absolutely the organization cares about a full building. To say otherwise is ridiculous. When you have 23 year olds working on Saturday and Sunday after they've been working all season long, late nights, just to move batches of 2s and 3s, it's actually slightly insulting to them to say that. The "revenue" generated on the 20 they may pull over 5 hours...even when collectively it may be 400 tickets amongst the group, amounts to almost nothing revenue-wise. They are there to put people in seats...period.
When approximately 1,000 tickets remain 3 days out from a game on TM...and 1,000 tickets remain on SH, meaning - you can do the math - 15,000 people have paid the prices available...it's pretty far-fetched to say the pricing is "off".
If 15,000 people have paid those prices...and there are prices available at all levels, from high to low:
Full Face if you are coming off the street
Single game "offer" if you are on powerplay or groups other distribution list
PAWP if you are willing to commit to an entire playoff run
Strips if you are a STH
And if the Devils have sold tickets in ALL categories, daily, even at the same FULL price that some on here have called out....then it's fair to say these prices work for most.
For the final 2,000: 1,000 of them will be decided on the secondary market anyway...
The 1,000 remaining on TM...sorry, but you don't discount to levels (in the playoffs specifically), that insult the other 15,000 who paid those prices.
Sure, in the regular season, you can do creative things, given day of the week and opponent, to reach value seekers...w/o upsetting the masses too much...and even then it is a delicate and hard balance.
But in playoffs, it's not a time to discount significantly when the majority of the building pays the prices out there. Is it a growing pain to hold on prices and value a playoff game (even if it is a week day against a tough opponent) at a higher level - yes. But hey...that's why this business is fun...cause we can debate.
To the point about the second round - you all saw the #s...at it's height, there were only 2,000 seats on SH. That means DEVILS FANS purchased the majority of strips, PAWP and then single game tickets, for themselves. Those folks with strips and pawp will still own their seats. Folks who purchase single games will be given a pre-sale if we are lucky enough to make the second round, to get seats before the general public.
Therefore, unless FANS want to re-sell the very seats they sat in/will sit in, for round 1, the building should be full of DEVILS fans for round 2...even if against the Rangers. If not...it's the fans choosing to make a profit vs. rooting their team on during a great series. But hey, that's their right.
Total: 1720, or 9.75% available 4 days in advance.
Today at 10:00am
200s - 531
Balcony 100s - 509
Mezzanine 100s - 26 (*this value may have gone up because I didn't scroll over 'blank' sections which hold handicap-available seating on Friday but did this time)
Goal Bar/Acela - 43 + 8 = 51
Lower Bowl - 180
Clubs - 107 (*cant explain why this went up 4 but it could be the same reason as mezzanine)
Therefore, unless FANS want to re-sell the very seats they sat in/will sit in, for round 1, the building should be full of DEVILS fans for round 2...even if against the Rangers. If not...it's the fans choosing to make a profit vs. rooting their team on during a great series. But hey, that's their right.
And (since I can't figure out how to multi-quote):
"as we jews sort of say on passover, why would this year be any different than all others?"
One answer, post 278.
Not only do you have the usual resellers, who will sell R2 to the highest bidder (ie. Rags fans) but the CASUAL fan is doing the math and coming up with a real money making opportunity.
If you guys simply priced most seats (excluding the Clubs) for R1 $15 cheaper you'd have a barn full of Devils fans and would have wrapped up your work on day one.
With 15k non-club seats that's $225k less of revenue before netting out the cost to you of all the crazy giveaways. Equal to what you pay Kovy for seven periods of hockey or ten shots on goal.
So, while I have a huge amount of respect for your knowledge, work effort, experience, and transparency on here all that work is insane and self inflicted pain.
And I can assure you if R2 is the Rags the Pru will be absolutely packed with Rags fans like you've never seen it before. Professional resellers are all over the opportunity, the casual fan has turned broker seeing the opportunity, and your own Devils fans will, yes, offer their tickets because you squeezed them so hard on the cost of Round 1 they need to net some money back out of R2.
Why? All for a crummy 0.2% of annual revenue? A rounding error. So while I don't doubt you guys on the ground are working your butts off I do tend to agree with BG that, yes, the Devs senior management don't really place a priority on filling the place with Devs fans and do care very much about wringing every last cent out of the fanbase for the playoffs.
In round two...it doesn't matter what tickets are "priced at".
If that many seats are going to sell on the secondary market...the market will dictate price.
That's on Devils fans to decide whether or not to come and watch...or sell to make $.
Because someone came out of pocket, in your words, $15 more per game, or $30...maybe $45 per person, for round one, they NEED to sell their seats for round 2?
That's pretty exaggerated. I'm the same guy who said for Islanders series in the 90s, I scraped every dollar together to sit in the top row. If I came out of pocket $30 more for round 1...there is no way I would miss round 2 against our heated rivals. No way.
In round two...it doesn't matter what tickets are "priced at".
If that many seats are going to sell on the secondary market...the market will dictate price.
That's on Devils fans to decide whether or not to come and watch...or sell to make $.
Because someone came out of pocket, in your words, $15 more per game, or $30...maybe $45 per person, for round one, they NEED to sell their seats for round 2?
That's pretty exaggerated. I'm the same guy who said for Islanders series in the 90s, I scraped every dollar together to sit in the top row. If I came out of pocket $30 more for round 1...there is no way I would miss round 2 against our heated rivals. No way.
Disagree. Times are tight and your fanbase is also young. You were posting on here earlier in the thread with a fan who was a buyer at $45 but not at $60.
And, I am one of those casual fans that picked up some extra tickets (ten). At $65 net to the buyer for $100 face value seats they flew off the shelf. At $80 net no takers.
Not with a $100 face. And a $40 ticket on SH is $50-60 after buyers fees and shipping.
That's my point. I have $100 face tickets, lower bowl, I can dump for R1 at $65 net to the buyer and breakeven.
I then have a free option on a Rags-Devs matchup in R2. At my fully loaded R2 cost of $92 per seat I'd have to be brain dead not to clear $100 per seat. Particularly when the same exact seats are selling - not listed - on SH at MSG for $290-$400.
At $100 per seat profit I'll make $1000 per Rags game in R2, or up to $3k. Worse case I break even on Caps-Flyers matchup or eat a little bit per ticket.
No joke, last night if the Rags and Bruins made their series 2-0 I probably would have hopped on and bought another ten tickets.
This round. Regardless if you bought 10...or your friend bought 10...or your bought 10 more...the bottom line is - even with the ABILITY to make a ton on round 2, the RE-SELLERS (real or fans) amounted to 2,000 for round 1.
Therefore, if it's about cheering for your team and not about the profit...the core 15,000 devils fans own THEIR tickets.
Your math is all correct on re-sell prices and abilities. The bottom line is, what's more important to the fan.
