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No thanks. And what are we gonna do with a second round pick in 2014? Little and Grabner are basically a wash and we're not trading our 4th pick for Enstrom
Enstrom is a ufa in 2013.Isles have a tight,team budget and would likely lose him to deeper pocketed teams.
No team is giving up a high lottery pick for 1 yr of Estrom.Snow would want Kane or Bogo,with the NYI 1st, being the key piece leaving LI in a package.The Jets have zero reason to move either young star.
kind of what I meant with all things considered. I think you take the risk of a prospect to get the potential return on talent
Was interested to see what canes fans would say with the example of their players.
I disagree.
1) Giving up that much isn't worth the risk IMO. There is no guarantee that the #4 pick will yield a player like Skinner. Look at 2010. Skinner was listed as a 10-15 pick in the latest draft rankings and was chosen at 7. Noboby would have said Skinner would do what he has done. Guys drafted before him were thought to be much more certain with higher potential (#4 is Ryan Johansen, #5 is Nino, and #6 is Connolly).
I don't know how that will end up long term, but as of now, it would have looked foolish for the Canes to move up to draft a "prospect with more potential return on talent" in 2010. It's also kind of similar to 2010 in that most people thought that by the time the Canes drafted, the best forwards were off the board and the obvious choice was a defenseman (Fowler or Gormley).
2) History has shown that teams haven't paid that much to move up 4 spots in the draft and I wouldn't do it now. Those prospect aren't sure things. Typical draft swaps have been done with picks.
If Carolina wants to move up, then try it with picks. If not, then stay where they are. If Rutherford wants to move a defensemen, then I can see him moving McBain, but I suspect he'll do it in a package for a more proven player, not a swap of picks.
Re: Faulk. I don't think you realize how high the Canes coach/management is on this kid. They see him as a top pairing defenseman for years to come (not saying he will be, but that's their view). You may not agree (and that's fine), but I can bet that they would not even trade Faulk for that pick straight up.
Not if you're the Canes it's not, giving up a proven asset like McBain to move up 4 slots would be asset mismanagement at its finest. I'm not 100% sold that Forsberg or Galchenyuk is better then Teravainen as is, so if the top 3 picks were to go Nail, Murray, Grigorenko it's better off just to stay at 8th and let things play out as they may.
McBain's definitely movable, but not in a deal to move up from 8 to 4 unless the Isles were sending back another significant proven piece in the process. More likely I see McBain and one of the Canes top forward prospects being dangled (along with the 2013 first) to go after a top line forward.
Faulk's just flat out not movable right now. Not unless someone were to go completely nuts and offer up something like Nash or Ryan for him straight up.
Not if you're the Canes it's not, giving up a proven asset like McBain to move up 4 slots would be asset mismanagement at its finest. I'm not 100% sold that Forsberg or Galchenyuk is better then Teravainen as is, so if the top 3 picks were to go Nail, Murray, Grigorenko it's better off just to stay at 8th and let things play out as they may.
McBain's definitely movable, but not in a deal to move up from 8 to 4 unless the Isles were sending back another significant proven piece in the process. More likely I see McBain and one of the Canes top forward prospects being dangled (along with the 2013 first) to go after a top line forward.
Faulk's just flat out not movable right now. Not unless someone were to go completely nuts and offer up something like Nash or Ryan for him straight up.
id be interested to see where his value is at. He had an amazing rookie year but has struggled since. I don't watch the Canes so maybe he just hasn't put up numbers
Not sure to be honest, he's shown that he can be a top 4 dman already but hasn't shown yet that he can take that next step, at least not consistently, but he's also only 24. He has already put up a 30 point season, and had 40 points in his first 90 games. In a draft like this he's probably worth a mid first IMO.
Not if you're the Canes it's not, giving up a proven asset like McBain to move up 4 slots would be asset mismanagement at its finest. I'm not 100% sold that Forsberg or Galchenyuk is better then Teravainen as is, so if the top 3 picks were to go Nail, Murray, Grigorenko it's better off just to stay at 8th and let things play out as they may.
McBain's definitely movable, but not in a deal to move up from 8 to 4 unless the Isles were sending back another significant proven piece in the process. More likely I see McBain and one of the Canes top forward prospects being dangled (along with the 2013 first) to go after a top line forward.
Faulk's just flat out not movable right now. Not unless someone were to go completely nuts and offer up something like Nash or Ryan for him straight up.
Michael Grabner was unimpressive this past year and I wouldn't be surprised if Snow has him on the block at the Draft. He has amazing speed and PK abilities but just couldn't finish for his life. Maybe playing with an All-Star center would help his game.
Would JR do Grabner, 4th Overall for McBain, 8th Overall?
cause thats waht the oilers need two top 6 forwards
i think they'd take murray if hes available at 4th lol
I pointed out to Oiler fans that Snow has shopped his high lottery pick, at the last 2 drafts.From what Botta and Strang have reported,his trade demand haven't lessened.
Unless the Oilers have a young stud or potential young stud,to offer Snow,there's no deal there.
I pointed out to Oiler fans that Snow has shopped his high lottery pick, at the last 2 drafts.From what Botta and Strang have reported,his trade demand haven't lessened.
Unless the Oilers have a young stud or potential young stud,to offer Snow,there's no deal there.
Makes me wonder if there is potential for a deal with PHX then, as they could offer up Gormley if one of the big forwards was on the table.
Makes me wonder if there is potential for a deal with PHX then, as they could offer up Gormley if one of the big forwards was on the table.
Gormley + 2nd might start the convo?
Isles have 4 pmd knocking on the door in the AHL,including De Haan and Donovan.
I would think it would come down to a couple of things..
1.Are the Isles not sold on De Haan and Donovan ?
2.Who is on the draft board at #4.Do the Isles think one of those prospects has considerably higher upside then Gormley?
Are they better off adding a Dumba or Trouba to their mix of nonphysical pmd?
Isles have 4 pmd knocking on the door in the AHL,including De Haan and Donovan.
I would think it would come down to a couple of things..
1.Are the Isles not sold on De Haan and Donovan ?
2.Who is on the draft board at #4.Do the Isles think one of those prospects has considerably higher upside then Gormley?
Are they better off adding a Dumba or Trouba to their mix of nonphysical pmd?
True enough, I am of the personal opinion that neither of those guys will be top pairing defenceman, and that Gormley does have a higher chance of being a top pairing defenceman than any you just listed.
But again, you are right, if NYI thinks that whoever is on board has upside that is more valuable than the additional asset that can be acquired in the trade, then its pointless.
Well, in all honesty the isles D in the next few years will probably look something around:
Hamonic/De Haan
Streit/Donovan
MacDonald/Pedan/Mayfield
Among others as well. That looks pretty promising. I'd still like to have another strong PMD, but i'd also love to have stability for secondary scoring, which plagued us all year. Not to mention we got shut out 10 times this year. I have a feeling if Garth doesn't get a trade for a young dman, then he'll draft BPA for forward or try and package the pick for offense.
True enough, I am of the personal opinion that neither of those guys will be top pairing defenceman, and that Gormley does have a higher chance of being a top pairing defenceman than any you just listed.
But again, you are right, if NYI thinks that whoever is on board has upside that is more valuable than the additional asset that can be acquired in the trade, then its pointless.
It's a good proposal.
More more realistic then most in this thread
Makes me wonder if there is potential for a deal with PHX then, as they could offer up Gormley if one of the big forwards was on the table.
Gormley + 2nd might start the convo?
Not that I think Phoenix will trade Yandle but if they sold on Gormley and Rundblad being able to step in for him(along with OEL having a bigger role), I could see Phoenix being potential partners
Not that I think Phoenix will trade Yandle but if they sold on Gormley and Rundblad being able to step in for him(along with OEL having a bigger role), I could see Phoenix being potential partners
yea, maybe in a year or two. Gormley and Rundblad haven't proven themselves yet and if they can step in, it would be over a whole year to value their consistency at that level...
