I'm with this guy. I wouldn't trade Staal for two 1st overall picks. If you consider Martin a dump then fine, I can see that - even though I don't necessarily agree.
I would definitely trade Staal for 2 first overall picks, depending on the pedigree of the first overall pick you're poised to claim at the time of the trade. If you're about to get a true game-breaker with that pick, it'd be hard to say no to that PLUS whoever emerges as the best pick in the draft the following year. I wouldn't trade him for just 2 first rounders, but 2 first overalls, definitely.
But that's sort of secondary to the larger issue of why the **** are we even discussing such a ridiculous proposal when we are but 2 games into the playoffs? Bizarre timing for an equally bizarre original post.
I would definitely trade Staal for 2 first overall picks, depending on the pedigree of the first overall pick you're poised to claim at the time of the trade. If you're about to get a true game-breaker with that pick, it'd be hard to say no to that PLUS whoever emerges as the best pick in the draft the following year. I wouldn't trade him for just 2 first rounders, but 2 first overalls, definitely.
But that's sort of secondary to the larger issue of why the **** are we even discussing such a ridiculous proposal when we are but 2 games into the playoffs? Bizarre timing for an equally bizarre original post.
Yeah, I mean, if there's a generational talent on the board then sure, I'll move Staal. It's just very unlikely which is where my comment comes from.
And to your second point: don't undervalue rate at which people on this board can jump off a bandwagon and into the abyss of tears. Losing two games to the Red Wings and Caps is nothing, but to the Flyers in a first round series? BLOW IT ALL UP!!!
I love how arrogance is everyones new favorite word...
Bylsma needs to.mature as a coach. I think he came him, won a cup, and thought that was it as far as coaching goes.
Doesnt matter if u have the best players in the world or a great offense...you need to coach guys. Laviolette is outcoaching DB right now...
Get. Rid. Of. Paul. Martin. I dont even see how thinking about keeping him around is even an option...remove him...bring in someone new. At this point...Suter aint a bad option to explore.
Letang is a #1, Michalek is a suitable top 4, Engo is a great depth guy. Wouldnt mind dumping Orpik but...heres what im thinking:
Letang - Michalek
Suter - Niskanen
Engo - Orpik
If we can find someone better than Nisky, switch em out.
I think we could get Suter for $7mil...
But beyond a quick revamp...we need a new defensive system.
I would LOVE Suter on this team, but it will take some retooling to make space. We have to re-up our core in the next couple of seasons and we can't jeopardize that.
Yeah, I mean, if there's a generational talent on the board then sure, I'll move Staal. It's just very unlikely which is where my comment comes from.
And to your second point: don't undervalue rate at which people on this board can jump off a bandwagon and into the abyss of tears. Losing two games to the Red Wings and Caps is nothing, but to the Flyers in a first round series? BLOW IT ALL UP!!!
That's true. Even if we win the next 4 straight ... we'll still have to go on living with the fact that we lost two winnable games in a row to those Philthy ********. Really, is it even worth carrying on after that? I beg for the sweet release of merciful death ...
I would definitely trade Staal for 2 first overall picks, depending on the pedigree of the first overall pick you're poised to claim at the time of the trade. If you're about to get a true game-breaker with that pick, it'd be hard to say no to that PLUS whoever emerges as the best pick in the draft the following year. I wouldn't trade him for just 2 first rounders, but 2 first overalls, definitely.
But that's sort of secondary to the larger issue of why the **** are we even discussing such a ridiculous proposal when we are but 2 games into the playoffs? Bizarre timing for an equally bizarre original post.
So you'd do Staal to Jackets for 2012 and 2013 1st. 2nd OV+probably 1st OV.
That's true. Even if we win the next 4 straight ... we'll still have to go on living with the fact that we lost two winnable games in a row to those Philthy ********. Really, is it even worth carrying on after that? I beg for the sweet release of merciful death ...
If we can't sweep the Flyers who can we beat?!?!?!
winning is always best for the team. you can just as easily relate this to 1992 at this point. actually thats much more accurate considering we got 4th place instead of blowing out the league.
I put it in another thread, but find me a Pens cup win where we didn't go down 0-2 at least once in a series along the way. you can't do it. everyone step back from the bridge.
Staal, Martin, and 1st round pick
for
Edmonton 1st pick
Edmonton is happy because they already have a ton of top talent and, as their GM said, are willing to trade the pick. They get veterans, including Staal who can be a 1st line dude and is a beast, and get a good 1st round pick.
Penguins are happy cuz we get rid of Martin, free up cap space, and sign Parise. Draft Nail.
It is an interesting thought. That's what hfboards is for after all.
Might be worth it if it were:
Staal, Martin, and 1st round pick
for
Edmonton 1st pick and Lander
Watching this Phoenix-Chicago game, I've come to the conclusion that Ray Whitney is ****ing sick. Really wish Shero would have tried harder to pick up one of him or Tanguay during their last bouts of free agency. Sid and Whitney would have been incredible.
I would want Shero to look at him this offseason, but we can't keep on looking for these band-aid solution aging wingers. A younger version of a Whitney-type player is what Sid needs more than anyone. Not a straight sniper or a big guy with that's decently skilled. He needs a guy who thinks and reads the game at a high level. We've already seen snippets with Sullivan of what Sid can do with such a player.
Stewart is a healthy scratch tonight. Maybe this will convince them to unload him this summer... hopefully for Martin straight-up since they're looking for a #2 lefthaded D. (enter Paul Martin)
Kinda discouraging to see what's happened to him when you read this article...
Trying to make him fit in their system may be like fitting a square peg in a round hole. It's no different in any other business. Finding the right fit is key to success.
Lovejoy is dime a dozen, not even worth mentioning in a trade. Think Letestu but a defenseman. TK isn't that bad but what kind of need does he fill for St. Louis that is such an upgrade over just playing Stewart on the 3rd or 4th line hoping he'll turn around?
Lovejoy is dime a dozen, not even worth mentioning in a trade. Think Letestu but a defenseman. TK isn't that bad but what kind of need does he fill for St. Louis that is such an upgrade over just playing Stewart on the 3rd or 4th line hoping he'll turn around?
Lovejoy is a dime a dozen, but he is a cheap player who can fill a depth role for St. Louis. Strait is in the same boat as Lovejoy.
St. Louis tried to get TK last summer. In fact, he would fill the role that they tried to have Stewart fill this year. And he would do it much much better.
TK has a Cup ring, is good for 20 goals, and is a prototypical skilled 3rd line winger. He fits the system in St. Louis very well. Almost perfectly.
No doubt if St. Louis could trade Stewart for TK alone right now, they would.
I think Tangradi is in the same position with the Pens as Stewart is with the Blues.
Also remember that the Blues will have to pay Stewart at least $3.25 million to keep him. Will be a tough one for them and their finances this summer. They don't spend to the cap.
Lovejoy is a dime a dozen, but he is a cheap player who can fill a depth role for St. Louis. Strait is in the same boat as Lovejoy.
St. Louis tried to get TK last summer. In fact, he would fill the role that they tried to have Stewart fill this year. And he would do it much much better.
TK has a Cup ring, is good for 20 goals, and is a prototypical skilled 3rd line winger. He fits the system in St. Louis very well. Almost perfectly.
No doubt if St. Louis could trade Stewart for TK alone right now, they would.
I think Tangradi is in the same position with the Pens as Stewart is with the Blues.
Also remember that the Blues will have to pay Stewart at least $3.25 million to keep him. Will be a tough one for them and their finances this summer. They don't spend to the cap.
Alright, I'm buying it a little more. You've made a good argument.
Chris stewart would be a huge get for your team. He is the net presence you need. Right now all I see is Kunitz getting to the crease.
Double post but what the heck.
I'm happy a Flyers fan came here and called this out. For a team that throw as many pucks on net as the Pens, they sure don't pick up a lot of garbage goals. You would think they would be all over rebounds and getting a lot more POP goals. Even throwing pucks on net and timing when a player will be there is off.
I'm with the "haters": this idea is stupid. It's your typical fevered fan dreams that trade balance and overall quality for dubious star power massing which very few times has worked. NY Rangers of the 90s and 00s anyone?
No this thread is bad and you should all feel bad.
, let's break up our core!
