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When is a trade a "Win-Win?"

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04-14-2012, 04:52 PM
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Whoa. We went from obscurity to a regular playoff contendor and got to the scf in 97 on the back of lindros meanwhile he is still the best skater to ever lace them up in philly and gave us just short of a decade of great hockey and highlights. I know we didn't win it all and understand why you said what you said but the flyers would never have been able to pry Roy out of Mon for he same package he was had for and we didn't have a Sackic for forsberg either. So who knows what would of happened if we didn't make that deal. I know I'm happy with it.

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For a trade to be a win-win both clubs have to benefit from it.

In Toronto's case, it's been obvious quite some time that they need to rebuild. Seguin and Hamilton would have been better to have for a rebuild than Kessel. Burke however wants to retool instead of rebuild so he's fine with the deal.

The trade itself isn't too bad as Toronto got the proven goal scorer/better player at the time, but that's a move only a team who's one player away from being a pretender to contender should make, IMO.
This is one of the most idiotic arguments for why Toronto lost the deal.

Somehow acquiring a 21 year with picks became tantamount to trading picks for a 32 year old winger.

Somehow acquiring a 21 year old who went top 5 in a draft just 3 years prior, a player who had just broken out, became the most idiotic move a team could make.

Somehow, a teams top goal scorer, at age 21, became a player that was only going to be good on a cup team.

Somehow, acquiring a 21 year 30 goal scorer with 20-30 place picks became possible.

How logic became this convoluted is beyond me.

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04-14-2012, 05:11 PM
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Yea Clarke was great he delivered a cup and was one of the all time greats. He was a gritty hardnosed two way guy and had everything. Lindros was the best talent this team has ever seen. He was a physical specimen and was not far off from being mentioned in the same breath as Mario. You could probably make an arguement for both Clarke and Lindros but to be honest I don't want to make this into a Clarke vs. Lindros thread. The point is you can't say Quebec won as a clear winner in that deal.

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04-14-2012, 05:58 PM
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When one player (Nieuwendyk) is a pivotal member of a Stanley Cup win, while the other (Iginla) becomes the cornerstone of his team for years.

That's win-win.
I would say the same for San Jose and the Thornton trade. Helped Boston build/get other pieces/cap space to build their cup team. San Jose got a player who has become and remained the backbone of their team for 6+ years.

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04-14-2012, 06:03 PM
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This is one of the most idiotic arguments for why Toronto lost the deal.

Somehow acquiring a 21 year with picks became tantamount to trading picks for a 32 year old winger.

Somehow acquiring a 21 year old who went top 5 in a draft just 3 years prior, a player who had just broken out, became the most idiotic move a team could make.

Somehow, a teams top goal scorer, at age 21, became a player that was only going to be good on a cup team.

Somehow, acquiring a 21 year 30 goal scorer with 20-30 place picks became possible.

How logic became this convoluted is beyond me.
That's always been my issue with why the trade was supposedly bad. People act like Kessel was a veteran winger you get for a cup run. He was 21.

Contending teams never add a player like Kessel. It's usually an older player who's UFA at season's end.

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04-14-2012, 06:04 PM
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I would say the same for San Jose and the Thornton trade. Helped Boston build/get other pieces/cap space to build their cup team. San Jose got a player who has become and remained the backbone of their team for 6+ years.
Trading Thornton had nothing to do with that. It was a horrific trade for the Bruins. It doesn't matter how great they drafted after and won a cup 5 years later. They lost that trade hands-down.

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04-14-2012, 06:53 PM
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One of the worst trades in history? Seriously? I can understand people believing Boston won the trade, but how can you think that is anywhere close to the worst trade in history? The Leafs have a 24 year old star who scored over a PPG this year and now has 4 consecutive 30 goal seasons...

I also don't see how anyone thinks the Beauchemin trade was win-win... Toronto won that by a mile. They got a 21 stud on defence and a PPG player in Lupul out of it
I'm just mentioning what some others have said regarding the Kessel trade.


And yes, I don't understand how Anaheim won the Beauchemin trade but many people feel that way.

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04-14-2012, 07:06 PM
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the best example of a "win-win" trade I can think of was Iginla for Nieuwendyk. Dallas won their only Stanley Cup while Joe won playoff M.V.P. Meanwhile Iginla is the all time points leader for Calgary.

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04-14-2012, 07:17 PM
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I would say the same for San Jose and the Thornton trade. Helped Boston build/get other pieces/cap space to build their cup team. San Jose got a player who has become and remained the backbone of their team for 6+ years.
I wouldn't call that a win for Boston, they became competitive like 5 years and a new GM later.

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Visnovsky for Whitney. Oilers got their number one for our number 3, Ducks got their number one.



win win

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Trading Thornton had nothing to do with that. It was a horrific trade for the Bruins. It doesn't matter how great they drafted after and won a cup 5 years later. They lost that trade hands-down.
I think the point is it freed up cash to sign Chara

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A win win trade is one both teams would do again after the fact.
seems like the best definition

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This ones easy. Skille for Frolik. It doesn't get any more even than that. Both players suck equally.

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are cap dump deals considered win-win?

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When both teams benefit from the trade.
ex. Goligoski for Neal, JJ for Carter, Bishop for a 2nd, Varly for 1st and 2nd.

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This ones easy. Skille for Frolik. It doesn't get any more even than that. Both players suck equally.
Does that not mean its a lose-lose.

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