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04-14-2012, 11:30 PM
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Oilers 32nd draft pick Gagner/Hemsky

Hey all I'm wondering how much the Oilers can move up with these proposals.




32nd overall pick
Ales Hemsky or Sam Gagner


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32nd overall pick
Both Hemsky and Gagner

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04-14-2012, 11:32 PM
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Prob around 15 with gagner. 22 with Hemsky

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Prob around 15 with gagner. 22 with Hemsky
meh, i'd rather keep them both and the pick.

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meh, i'd rather keep them both and the pick.
Long term we need a bigger centerman and a powerforward.The Oilers aren't going to go far with having Hemsky and Gagner.

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Look for the leafs 5th overall for 32nd+gagner+khabibulin+omark or something like that

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Look for the leafs 5th overall for 32nd+gagner+khabibulin+omark or something like that
If only we lived in a fantasy life.

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Long term we need a bigger centerman and a powerforward.The Oilers aren't going to go far with having Hemsky and Gagner.
Hemsky is in his prime and Gagner is only, what? 22 years old? yeah I think Edmonton are better off keeping them in the organization rather than trading for a draft pick.

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Look for the leafs 5th overall for 32nd+gagner+khabibulin+omark or something like that
REALLY.. A 2ND, a alright, but small 2nd line C that we don't need, a 36? yr old goalie on the downside and a small perrenial AHL player that can't crack the last place/2nd last place finish iin 3 yrs? LOL

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Hemsky is in his prime and Gagner is only, what? 22 years old? yeah I think Edmonton are better off keeping them in the organization rather than trading for a draft pick.

As Hemsky has aged he has been getting worse and Gagner has hit between 40-49 points for 5 straight years without improving.

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As Hemsky has aged he has been getting worse and Gagner has hit between 40-49 points for 5 straight years without improving.
Hemsky had an off year, at the same time the team did or so it appears looking at where they're drafting again, Hemsky is not getting worse.

Gagner has been improving, look at the linemates he had in his first few seasons, look who he gets to play with now and he will obviously only improve, he is only 22 and the whole team will start improving with the rebuild. His point totals will definitely improve if stats is how you judge a player .

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Hemsky had an off year, at the same time the team did or so it appears looking at where they're drafting again, Hemsky is not getting worse.

Gagner has been improving, look at the linemates he had in his first few seasons, look who he gets to play with now and he will obviously only improve, he is only 22 and the whole team will start improving with the rebuild. His point totals will definitely improve if stats is how you judge a player .


Okay but long term how is Edmonton going to go far in the playoffs when we have no size and very minimal grit in the top 6?

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Okay but long term how is Edmonton going to go far in the playoffs when we have no size and very minimal grit in the top 6?
spread skill to 3 lines and insert grit.

Hall, Yakupov, Eberle, RNH, Hemsky, Gagner
add 3 gritty guys to the mix and roll with it..

PIT has Staal on 3rd line... PHI has Schenn and Simmonds..
CHI when they won the cup had Versteeg and Byfuglien on the 3rd line.

If Hall or Yakupov have to play 3rd line minutes then so be it. We have no replacement for GAgner or Hemsky right now.. unless you want Horc back in top 6.

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spread skill to 3 lines and insert grit.

Hall, Yakupov, Eberle, RNH, Hemsky, Gagner
add 3 gritty guys to the mix and roll with it..

PIT has Staal on 3rd line... PHI has Schenn and Simmonds..
CHI when they won the cup had Versteeg and Byfuglien on the 3rd line.

If Hall or Yakupov have to play 3rd line minutes then so be it. We have no replacement for GAgner or Hemsky right now.. unless you want Horc back in top 6.


Gagner we don't have a replacement but Hemsky we do.

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Gagner we don't have a replacement but Hemsky we do.
lets wait til we draft the replacement and see if the kid is even ready for NHL.
Spending a season on the 3rd or 4th line wont hurt him either.
There is no rush to get rid of Hemmer.

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Long term we need a bigger centerman and a powerforward.The Oilers aren't going to go far with having Hemsky and Gagner.
We also won't go far with no second line scoring. And we aren't at the point where we need to worry about going deep in the playoffs...we need to build a team that can contend for the playoffs first.

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Trading Hemsky makes it about 4x more likely that the Oilers are a lottery team again next season.

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lets wait til we draft the replacement and see if the kid is even ready for NHL.
Spending a season on the 3rd or 4th line wont hurt him either.
There is no rush to get rid of Hemmer.
yep, that's where you put the first pick who is reported to be an offensive force...

Great job at "developing" the player. He will learn a ton playing with Horcoff/Jones. Hell, toss Hall/Eberle/RNH on the third/fourth line to ensure their development progressive effectively.

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Trading Hemsky makes it about 4x more likely that the Oilers are a lottery team again next season.
Hard to say if trading Hemsky away will make us a lottery team if we don't improve our defence this offseason.

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yep, that's where you put the first pick who is reported to be an offensive force...

Great job at "developing" the player. He will learn a ton playing with Horcoff/Jones. Hell, toss Hall/Eberle/RNH on the third/fourth line to ensure their development progressive effectively.
Hall and Eberle both started their career with Horcoff... Sure didnt destroy the career..
Brayden Schenn is an offensive force too... He is a 3rd liner. So is J.Staal.
Hemsky played a full season on the 4th line... Gagner was there for a while aswell.

Lets just waive our veteran just because the new kid is reported to be an offensive force and cant play hockey if he isnt in the top6.

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Trading Hemsky makes it about 4x more likely that the Oilers are a lottery team again next season.
thought HF said Hemsky is always injured so it wouldn't affect the team.

Oilers can win without Hemsky but he's a great veteran presence I do agree.

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Long term we need a bigger centerman and a powerforward.The Oilers aren't going to go far with having Hemsky and Gagner.
I understand that Yakupov replaces Hemsky but who replaces Gagner next season and why in the world would the Oilers trade them for draft picks?

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Even if the D is bad and the grit is missing, just outscore the opposition next season with that improving top six -- I mean its just the reg season.

Then add the missing ingredients via the rental market at the TDL. And then attract UFAs during the off-season with the better winning record.

Voila...re-build complete.

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Okay but long term how is Edmonton going to go far in the playoffs when we have no size and very minimal grit in the top 6?
I highly agree Edmonton need size and toughness up front but they do have size and toughness on the backend.


....and just because Boston won a cup with a physical team doesn't mean every team needs to be built with size and toughness to win a cup, I can see Washington taking out Boston in the first round.

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another gagner is a good player thread? hes a 2-3c on a last place team who didn't turn it on until what?Jan or Feb? And like most irrational deluded by the fact ....that they have the #1 Edmonton fans...is a top of the line center....keep hoping gagner gets you quality minutes on the ice of via trade......i love this time of year when $hitty teams think they have clout due to their high draft slot

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another gagner is a good player thread? hes a 2-3c on a last place team who didn't turn it on until what?Jan or Feb? And like most irrational deluded by the fact ....that they have the #1 Edmonton fans...is a top of the line center....keep hoping gagner gets you quality minutes on the ice of via trade......i love this time of year when $hitty teams think they have clout due to their high draft slot
Gagner is only 22 years old, soo much potential my friend, soo much.

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