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What should Calgary do this offseason and on Draft day?
What should Calgary do this offseason and on Draft day?
What will they do on draft day? Who will they draft 14th overall? Who will they resign? What free agents should they go after? Leave your thoughts below.
They really need to trade all of their veterans for picks next year. Next years draft is very good and deep and its a great chance for them to get some solid prospects. Trade Iginla for picks, trade kipper for picks. If they dont start rebuilding soon, they are stupid...
1. Ownership has said the team is not going to sell everything and rebuild, the mandate is to try and compete for a playoff spot.
2. Despite not selling everything to become a bottom feeding loser like all the brainless drones seem to think is the only way to fix a problem, the Flames are rebuilding. They are just trying to do it through the draft and by obtaining NHL ready prospects. And before anyone tells me the Flames suck at drafting look at the last 2 years (because those reflect changes that have been made in scouting) and just don't talk
Last edited by Holden Caulfield: 04-15-2012 at 12:27 AM.
Reason: Not necessary
Because he's even more indecisive than Tambellini, at least he knows he's rebuilding. Rebuild? Don't trade Iginla/Kiprusoff for the slim hope of making the playoffs. Make a run? Trade Robyn Reghr for scraps. In the end you just end up with a retool that leaves you running in place in no-mans land.
Because he's even more indecisive than Tambellini, at least he knows he's rebuilding. Rebuild? Don't trade Iginla/Kiprusoff for the slim hope of making the playoffs. Make a run? Trade Robyn Reghr for scraps. In the end you just end up with a retool that leaves you running in place in no-mans land.
isn't that cute, you actually think you know what you're talking about.
Kipper's value should be as high as its ever going to be at the draft. If the right deal is offered, the Flame's should pull the trigger and pass the torch.
Trade Miikka kiprusoff to Tampa Bay and trade Iginla to Anaheim.
Of all the possible teams, why Anaheim? I would think they'd be the last team that would give up big assets for Iggy, they already have two big first line scoring wingers.
Trade Kipper for TB 1st
Trade Iginla for Schneider or Luongo
Draft Faksa and Gaunce
start a rebuild around Schneider, Bartschi, Faksa and Gaunce. Leave D as is..
Because he's even more indecisive than Tambellini, at least he knows he's rebuilding. Rebuild? Don't trade Iginla/Kiprusoff for the slim hope of making the playoffs. Make a run? Trade Robyn Reghr for scraps. In the end you just end up with a retool that leaves you running in place in no-mans land.
Yikes, you really don't have any clue of what you're talking about, do you?
Yikes, you really don't have any clue of what you're talking about, do you?
The guy is talking about a complete rebuild ala Oilers..
I dont think CGY can handle a full rebuild since it requires 4\5 yrs of sucking. They also dont have a deep group of quality prospects.
Doing a retool ala FLA is the best option..
Load up on high end UFAs to fill out your roster and go for playoffs again..
Aliu and Bartschi are the young guns.. Iginla, Tanguay, Jokinen, Cammy and Glencross would be the core group of forwards. Add a couple more to top 9 and they are set. With all the expiring contracts, they should have plenty of cap space.
Trade Kipper for TB 1st
Trade Iginla for Schneider or Luongo
Draft Faksa and Gaunce
start a rebuild around Schneider, Bartschi, Faksa and Gaunce. Leave D as is..
Trade Kipper for TB 1st
Trade Iginla for Schneider or Luongo
Draft Faksa and Gaunce
start a rebuild around Schneider, Bartschi, Faksa and Gaunce. Leave D as is..
It's long overdue for a Calgary rebuild. Kipper and Iggy should be moved imo. Calgary is up against it in terms of cap space, they don't exactly have prospects knocking on the door and it's just time for a new direction.
I'm pretty sure Feaster would love to blow up Calgary and start from scratch. If Leland Irving is ready, then it's time to look at offers for Kipper. You know a club like Tampa Bay would be willing to make a move. I'm also willing to bet that a club like Washington would also consider a trade for Kipper.
As for Iginla, I think Feaster needs to start bidding wars amongst teams for his services. If Feaster can get someone who is willing to part with a good young roster player, a blue chip prospect and a first or multiple firsts, then Jarome's as good as gone. Let's not forget either that Jarome has put everyone on notice that he wants to win and if Feaster and company honestly feel that Jarome can't win in Calgary, they will move him to give him the chance.
As what others have pointed out, the prospect pool in Calgary is really shallow. Sutter really set that franchise back in terms of drafting. Feaster is known as a good talent guy around the league and is a pretty astute scout. If the owners in Calgary allow Feaster to do the rebuild, then I think Jay will blow it up. The good news though is that Calgary seems to be a place where they can attract free agents and if they have a lot of cap space, there's no reason at all to believe that they can't be competitive again within a 2 to 3 year period.
What should Calgary do this offseason and on Draft day?
Trade vets for prospects and picks. Try to get youngest UFAs who won't be past their prime in a few years which is the earliest Calgary can be a contender again. Draft BPA. Don't sign anyone to a NTC or NMC.
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Originally Posted by Jas0x
What will they do on draft day?
Keep vets and use cap space on players past their prime. Draft a center who isn't BPA. Sign old players to NMCs and not be able to bury them or move them to a contender at the trade deadline for a good price.
isn't that cute, you actually think you know what you're talking about.
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Originally Posted by DropIt
Yikes, you really don't have any clue of what you're talking about, do you?
So you guys don't think Regehr was traded for scraps?
Because as far as I see he put forward a very valid point(where as you didn't put forth a single point). Feaster hasn't made a move one way or the other, he is sitting directly on the fence. Even if you don't want to blow it up like Edmonton, even Florida made moves towards rebuilding and has made a great turnaround while maintaining a deep pool of prospects and bringing in UFA's that can keep the team competitive.
I'm pretty sure Feaster would love to blow up Calgary and start from scratch. If Leland Irving is ready, then it's time to look at offers for Kipper. You know a club like Tampa Bay would be willing to make a move. I'm also willing to bet that a club like Washington would also consider a trade for Kipper.
As for Iginla, I think Feaster needs to start bidding wars amongst teams for his services. If Feaster can get someone who is willing to part with a good young roster player, a blue chip prospect and a first or multiple firsts, then Jarome's as good as gone. Let's not forget either that Jarome has put everyone on notice that he wants to win and if Feaster and company honestly feel that Jarome can't win in Calgary, they will move him to give him the chance.
As what others have pointed out, the prospect pool in Calgary is really shallow. Sutter really set that franchise back in terms of drafting. Feaster is known as a good talent guy around the league and is a pretty astute scout. If the owners in Calgary allow Feaster to do the rebuild, then I think Jay will blow it up. The good news though is that Calgary seems to be a place where they can attract free agents and if they have a lot of cap space, there's no reason at all to believe that they can't be competitive again within a 2 to 3 year period.
I appreciate the fact you aren't just trying to rip apart the Flames like everyone else seems to, but the bolded is factually incorrect. The Flames drafting was even worse before Sutter, much worse even.
Sutter gets a bad name because people don't understand the situation involving the Flames prospects, developmental system and scouting department prior to Sutter's arrival. Sutter expanded the Flames scouting department (which was pretty much non-existent, they didn't even have a Euro or NCAA scout at that time). He inherited a team that didn't have enough prospects to field their own AHL franchise, so they shared one with another team.
So Sutter traded down in the draft to gain extra picks in order to re-stock the cupboards, with "safe" players because Sutter believed in a building the team from the net out. He had goaltending set for a while, so he stockpiled defensemen and defensive forwards, in his final couple drafts there was a change for that as he went after more skilled forwards and defensemen (not with every pick, but he started to pick them more often).
As for Feaster, his reputation is that he is a poor scout, he is known to be a finance guy and good with contracts, not good at scouting. But in Feaster's defense he knows this and hired Weisbrod (who is widely known to be a great scout) to be his AGM and when he expanded the Flames scouting department even more, he re-structured it so that the head of amateur scouting and all professional scouts report directly to Weisbrod.
I also think you are wrong about Feaster wanting to blow the team up, he has been very clear he doesn't buy into a scorched earth rebuild. He has spoken about recognizing the need to improve scouting, get younger, more mobile and improve our future; but he wants to do that while remaining competitive like the ownership group does. Feaster has been upfront about building through the draft, and making trades that makes sense both now and in the future. Which as a fan I think is the right way to do things because it shows pride and integrity. The point of sport is to win, if you are just going to roll over and not try and win it all, what is the point of even playing?
I honestly find is pretty sickening how fans trash the Flames organization for wanting to win at all times. But it goes to show how many fans have never played competitive sports, because if they had they would respect what the organization is trying to do.
People around here seem to think the Penguins and Blackhawks rebuilds are how it should be done, but like Burke pointed out the Penguins won Crosby in a lottery and the Hawks were bad long before they got lottery picks. But why are these the models used to define winning? Has that model worked for Washington, the Islanders, Panther, Columbus, Minnesota or Kings? No it hasn't. Why not build like Detroit, Nashville, Canucks (they got top 5 picks way back when but it never won them anything) or even the Rangers? For the most part those teams have built their teams through good drafting, good player development, smart free agent signings and astute trades.
Maybe we aren't near the top of the league when we are employing that mandate, but I would rather see this team improve a little at a time than have the bottom follow out and have management not even trying to make moves to better the franchise and simply relying on top picks.
