the reason carkner will be allowed to play in game 3, and the reason dubinsky was punished so harshly for being 3rd man in here is the code.
Carkner was dealing justice. Ref watched and prepared to punish carkner by the rules. Dubinsky (followed by everyone else) interfered with code justice.
It's all in the rules, just not the ones you can read.
Quick Question. Lets say Carkner fought Boyle during warmups. What could be the worst that happens? Could they both be ejected form the game or would the consequences of the fight not carry over into the game?
the reason carkner will be allowed to play in game 3, and the reason dubinsky was punished so harshly for being 3rd man in here is the code.
Carkner was dealing justice. Ref watched and prepared to punish carkner by the rules. Dubinsky (followed by everyone else) interfered with code justice.
It's all in the rules, just not the ones you can read.
Enough of "the code" ****, what about "the code" about not hitting a guy when he's down on the ice?
Seems Carkner forgot that part of "the code" there.
Quick Question. Lets say Carkner fought Boyle during warmups. What could be the worst that happens? Could they both be ejected form the game or would the consequences of the fight not carry over into the game?
yeah, but there'd definitely be lengthy suspensions. No place for fighting outside of the game, worse than coming off the bench.
Boyle not being called for anything means that in the official's eyes, it wasn't a fight per se, just one man jumping another who refused to engage (and wasn't really given a chance to anyway)
How can there be a third man in when technically, there wasn't a fight to begin with?
See my previous post.
Again, I'm not saying this is absolute. I'm looking at the NHL rules right now to see if they have the same rule.
Just basing it off my knowledge as a ref, and the league I ref, that's what I would call. And as I said in my post below, peacemaker applies in all situations. If there is an after the whistle scrum and two players are tussling harmlessly (standard 2 and 2 call) and a player comes in to drag their player a way, the ref has grounds to call the peacemaker rule.
46.16 Third Man In - A game misconduct penalty, at the discretion of the Referee, shall be imposed on any player who is the first to intervene (third man in) in an altercation already in progress except when a match penalty is being imposed in the original altercation. This penalty is in addition to any other penalties incurred in the same incident. This rule also applies to subsequent players who elect to intervene in the same or other altercations during the same stoppage of play.
Generally, this rule is applied when a fightys occurs.
According to NHL rules, every player on the ice in that situation should have received the penalty, as they all interfered before the linesman
Quick Question. Lets say Carkner fought Boyle during warmups. What could be the worst that happens? Could they both be ejected form the game or would the consequences of the fight not carry over into the game?
Before game incidents are really serious.
I know it's a different league, but the captain of the OHL's Ottawa 67s got suspended 6 games for a spearing incident in a warmup.
Boyle was attempting to intimidate Karlsson, and by extention Ottawa. Carkner wanted him to know that Ottawa wouldn't let that kind of nonsense slide.
Hagelin took a run at Alfy and threw a dangerous and dirty hit. But he's not a dirty guy, and at the end of the day the best response is to take advantage of the powerplay and make the Rangers pay on the scoreboard.
Later in the series Hagelin will get his. A big hit when the opportunity presents itself, rather than a fight. Hopefully nothing too dirty. Just a good clean hit that puts him on his ass (Neil on Boychuk style).
HA! Dubi vindicated. Carkner, the AHL goon, was given a match penaltyfor the original altercation. Refs blew it.
Are you sure it was a match?
According to the box score it was just a 5 and a Game.
EDIT: I love how you keep coming back to Carkner the AHL Goon. You wanted something against him. You looked him up on Hockey DB. You saw that he was in Binghampton. You assumed that it was because he sucked. You were proven wrong. Okay big deal. But no, keep bringing back a point that was already proven wrong.
Many missed calls out there, both ways..... but don't get all bend out of shape when Karlsson gets his like Boyle did to him the other night.
I think the lesson has been learnt about that kind of nonsense...maybe not by you, but I hope for their sake the players. All it would take is another class with Professor Carkner to really drive the point home.
Maybe it's Konopka or Neils turn to absolutely dummy one of your fake tough guys.
Holy ****, right from the book Thank you, I knew I was right.
Will be waiting tomorrow for an apology from the NHL....... oh, wait, we don't have a Penguin on our jersey
It is very black n white. Dubinsky should NOT have gotten a 3rd man because the rules STATE that a match penalty was given for the original altercation.
Match penalties are NOT given out in your standard fight.
Boyle was attempting to intimidate Karlsson, and by extention Ottawa. Carkner wanted him to know that Ottawa wouldn't let that kind of nonsense slide.
Hagelin took a run at Alfy and threw a dangerous and dirty hit. But he's not a dirty guy, and at the end of the day the best response is to take advantage of the powerplay and make the Rangers pay on the scoreboard.
Later in the series Hagelin will get his. A big hit when the opportunity presents itself, rather than a fight. Hopefully nothing too dirty. Just a good clean hit that puts him on his ass (Neil on Boychuk style).
Thank you, I knew I was right.
