too bad the players have to rely on systems instead of just, i dunno, reading the play and entering accordingly
Systems provide the baseline if you will. Relying on just the players to read the plays can lead to chaos.
However there is no way it's expected that players blindly follow a system irrespective of the situation. Every player should have enough situational awareness to read the plays and adjust accordingly as you have said.
Last edited by Lonny Bohonos: 04-15-2012 at 12:37 AM.
I'm interested to see what sort of zone entry the Canucks use now that they're deviating from the drop pass. In the Boston game, they employed an effective technique where the winger would gain the blueline and buttonhook while his teammates entered, opening up a cross-ice pass if you could get it past the defender. Our PP subsequently won us that game, so I am hoping we see some sort of variation of that.
Once we're in the zone, we just need to shoot from all angles and crash the net. I would have used Booth in Higgins' place on the first unit, as he's a big body who's strong along the boards and drives the net. But we'll see how this all unfolds.
I'd much rather them they focus on getting this right than trying to employ a dump in a overload system which they have no idea how to run. Not surprising considered they NEVER dumped in the regular season (don't start now..)
The boys have more to give, we just desperately need them to give it.
People are jumping all over the "drop pass" because it got picked off a couple times but it's not the play that's faulty here, it's the player. When they started using it last season I was very critical that come playoff time it would get eaten alive. They made it through 3 rounds before Boston really shut it down.
This season they have a similar set up but Edler is supposed to make a judgement call, if he feels their forward is cheating he usually makes a pass or skates it up (remember his end to end goal?). All you have to do is fake it a couple times and have Mike Richards bite HARD on it before they'll back off trying to jump the gun. It's all one Edler here.
Wait, they're trying Pahlsson on PP now?
Can Ballard and Kassian have a damn shot?
I don't see why Ballard or Kassian shouldn't get a shot if Pahlsson is being tried...Ballard can bring the puck in the zone without using that god damn drop pass and Kassian can be used as a screen
The problem with Ballard is after entry. He's not a particularly good passer (ALWAYS passes hard) and his shot sucks.
I don't understand why Kassian isn't on the PP, though - if there's something he's done consistently, that's to protect the puck well and cycle it.
People are jumping all over the "drop pass" because it got picked off a couple times but it's not the play that's faulty here, it's the player. When they started using it last season I was very critical that come playoff time it would get eaten alive. They made it through 3 rounds before Boston really shut it down.
This season they have a similar set up but Edler is supposed to make a judgement call, if he feels their forward is cheating he usually makes a pass or skates it up (remember his end to end goal?). All you have to do is fake it a couple times and have Mike Richards bite HARD on it before they'll back off trying to jump the gun. It's all one Edler here.
This exactly.
You take a look at the situation. and use whatever play is best.
The key is to gain entry. Its doesn't matter if its a drop pass, flying V, dump and chase, commando, triangle passing etc. Just get the puck in the zone and retain possession.
You take a look at the situation. and use whatever play is best.
The key is to gain entry. Its doesn't matter if its a drop pass, flying V, dump and chase, commando, triangle passing etc. Just get the puck in the zone and retain possession.
Yup, and it's not like Edler sucks at reading the play, he's done it all year where if a forward is too low he takes it himself. The only times I've seen him REALLY make that error was in the finals vs Boston, in the regular season vs Boston, and last night. Very well could be the pressure.
Yup, and it's not like Edler sucks at reading the play, he's done it all year where if a forward is too low he takes it himself. The only times I've seen him REALLY make that error was in the finals vs Boston, in the regular season vs Boston, and last night. Very well could be the pressure.
Edler doesn't suck at reading plays. Like every player he's prone to making mistakes under pressure. Heck Suter coughed up the puck in one of the last regular season games when he was going around the net with someone hard on him.
He just seems to lose it completely at times when something bad happens.
It not like this is new. There are threads about this from last playoffs as well.
Edler doesn't suck at reading plays. Like every player he's prone to making mistakes under pressure. Heck Suter coughed up the puck in or of the last regular season games when he was going around the net with someone hard on him.
He just seems to lose it completely at times when something bad happens.
It not like this is new. There are threads about this from last playoffs as well.
Sometimes in these high pressure Edler reminds me of Edler 5 years ago.. That guy made some REALLY bad reads.
I personally don't have a problem with the trade really. I just question the timing, I think it might have been better done in the off season. I also think Kassian could be playing a larger role right now if AV let him.
Bingo. "If AV let him," being the operative phrase here. This has been echoed by others as well. You can see he wants to create plays but his role and most importantly his surrounding 4th line talent doesn't allow for it. Yet another feather in AV's cap.
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Sometimes in these high pressure Edler reminds me of Edler 5 years ago.. That guy made some REALLY bad reads.
I want more Norris-esque Edler next game.
Edler is only Norris calibre in spurts, never over an extended period. I've been saying this for years now and we really should just accept it already. It'll be a lot easier if we stop relying on him as if he were.
Does no one remember Nashville series last year? We ultimately won, yes, but he was directly and solely responsible for multiple goals against us then too. Nashville had a high-pressure forecheck just like LA has and he responds the same way against most similar teams. It's not a difficult pattern to spot. He needs a very reliable D partner to cover for his brain farts.
I said it dozens and dozens of times over the last 2 years and I feel a little tired saying it. Edler isn't garbage and he's worth keeping, but he's not an anchor. We need someone who is.
Edler is only Norris calibre in spurts, never over an extended period. I've been saying this for years now and we really should just accept it already. It'll be a lot easier if we stop relying on him as if he were.
Does no one remember Nashville series last year? We ultimately won, yes, but he was directly and solely responsible for multiple goals against us then too. Nashville had a high-pressure forecheck just like LA has and he responds the same way against most similar teams. It's not a difficult pattern to spot. He needs a very reliable D partner to cover for his brain farts.
I said it dozens and dozens of times over the last 2 years and I feel a little tired saying it. Edler isn't garbage and he's worth keeping, but he's not an anchor. We need someone who is.
I agree with everything said here.
Now if he needs an anchor, does Edler deserve to be paid like other # 1s that can be relied upon?
having edler would be better if we didn't have another defender that's just as prone to brain farts in bieksa. unless we're able to acquire another hamhuis-like anchor, i have a hard time seeing this defence getting any better going forward.
People are jumping all over the "drop pass" because it got picked off a couple times but it's not the play that's faulty here, it's the player. When they started using it last season I was very critical that come playoff time it would get eaten alive. They made it through 3 rounds before Boston really shut it down.
This season they have a similar set up but Edler is supposed to make a judgement call, if he feels their forward is cheating he usually makes a pass or skates it up (remember his end to end goal?). All you have to do is fake it a couple times and have Mike Richards bite HARD on it before they'll back off trying to jump the gun. It's all one Edler here.
Completely disagree, the drop pass was used over and over and it was getting picked off and read from a mile away, people have been saying this for 2 months already. Its not just because it got picked off a couple times, we were 16-130 on the PP since boston, and they continued to use it, and it continues to get picked off, and the canucks had no game plan for properly entering the zone, other then the drop pass or dump and chance, and teams were constantly setup waiting for it. As soon as the puck went in, it has been getting cleared.
I might be missing something here, i thought newell brown was insane for using it all the time and not making adjustments, but some fans actually think its not an issue as well? When we you 16-130 and have trouble entering the zone, i think it should raise an immediate red flag for an adjustment.
Last edited by Orca Smash: 04-15-2012 at 01:42 AM.
You take a look at the situation. and use whatever play is best.
The key is to gain entry. Its doesn't matter if its a drop pass, flying V, dump and chase, commando, triangle passing etc. Just get the puck in the zone and retain possession.
Exactly and the drop pass entry is not working....
LMAO this is awesome! Heading into Game 3 and all the talk is about guys that aren't here anymore, who should be fired, who should be gone and who should be brought in. This thing is not over yet, yes we are in a hole, but the damn thing ain't over!
LMAO this is awesome! Heading into Game 3 and all the talk is about guys that aren't here anymore, who should be fired, who should be gone and who should be brought in. This thing is not over yet, yes we are in a hole, but the damn thing ain't over!
The Canucks have never won two straight in the playoffs before, so...
