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Landeskog could make it two consecutive Kitchener Rangers for the Calder

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04-14-2012, 07:25 PM
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Landeskog should definitely win. Had RNH played all 82 he'd of won but he didn't and missing 20 games should not add to a case for winning an award.

Just look at their teams records ... Colorado made a jump of 20 points this season whereas the Oilers were among the last in the league again. I know the Calder is more about individual stats but this is just a rebuttal to the poster before who claimed RNH impacted his team the most out of all the rookies. Landeskog was a key contributor on a team fighting for a playoff spot, RNH was a key contributor on a team fighting for the lottery.

The fact that Landeskog lead rookies in scoring, was used in all game situations, maintained a +20 on a team that's next highest were 11 & 3, registered 200+ hits, and lead rookies in takeaways speaks on his skill in the league - he's good offensively and defensively and proved to be the most impacting and complete rookie this season
Oilers improved 14 points. Power play went from 29th to 3rd. PK went from 27th to 14th.

I find it dismissive to say oilers still suck and Avs improved alot when the difference between 20 points and 14 is 3 games or some overtime losses.

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the only argument that arises from it, it that RNH had the same offensive production in 20 less games. this he has a higher PPG.

no what ifs, no pro rated stats, just facts
He also played with Eberle(76 points) and Hall(53 points in 61 games) and was a worse 5 on 5 player then Landeskog, had a lower +/- and a lower P/G ES ratio. These are also just the facts.

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RNH has a superior P/G average, but Gabriel had a better overall rookie season imo. More even strengh points, + 20 compared to - 2 for Ryan, 1st in rookie take aways, 1st in blocked shots by a rookie forward, 2nd in hits for rookies behind just Emelin, 1st in shots and 2nd in goals scored by a rookie. He's an absolute beast!
the only stats i have issue with are

take aways - -subjective to each arena official, as said before, RNH had a bunch of steals early in the season but was credited with none.

Hits - another subjective stat

shots - congrats, he shoots the puck, doesn't mean he is a better rookie just cause he shoots more

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He also played with Eberle(76 points) and Hall(53 points in 61 games) and was a worse 5 on 5 player then Landeskog, had a lower +/- and a lower P/G ES ratio. These are also just the facts.
how many goals did RNH contribute to those point totals?


no one said skinner was any less deserving because he played with eric staal, or patrick kane because he played with the powerhouse blackhawks

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1. Landeskog

2/3. Henrique/Hopkins

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I see it as who has impressed me the most.

Scoring: RNH hands down. Excellent playmaking skills. Though Landeskog is clutch with 5 GWG.
Physical Play: Landeskog hands down. Strong on the puck and hits like a truck.
Defensive Play: Again Landeskog hands down. Strong PKer with smart positioning. Exceptional tbh.
Linemates: Tie. ROR had a breakout season and Eberle took his game to a new level.

Landeskog deserves it.
RNH had better linemates

landeskog had ROR and a rotating door of right wingers, starting with the offensive black hole of daniel winnik and ending with mark olver (actually olver was on the left, with lando on the right), olver and downie were the only two that really had offensive skill..olvers wasn't great and downie's was lost after a wild player suplexed him and hurt his shoulder, but ROR accounts for one of hall and eberle, and RNH definitely had a better second linemate


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He also played with Eberle(76 points) and Hall(53 points in 61 games) and was a worse 5 on 5 player then Landeskog, had a lower +/- and a lower P/G ES ratio. These are also just the facts.
Just wanted to point out that they actually had virtually identical P/G at ES:

Landeskog: 38 ES points in 82 games = .4634 (1.74 P/60 ES)

RNH: 29 ES points in 62 games = .4677 (1.98 P/60 ES)

And just for fun, PP P/G:

Landeskog: 12 PP points in 82 games = .1463

RNH: 23 PP points in 62 games = .3710
That is the #6 PP P/G in the league behind only Giroux, Malkin, Campbell, Kovalchuk, and Neal (and RNH has the #1 PP P/60 in the league among players averaging at least 1 min/game and 20 games played) - he is already an elite PP player at 18!


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I like this idea. Whoever wins it between RNH or Landeskog, doesn't really matter. Both teams got a great young players to build around.
Exactly, that's why it's so unbearably frustrating to see some posts in here exclaiming that it's not close or that it's a guarantee that one on the other is going to win.

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1. Landeskog

2/3. Henrique/Hopkins
I'm guessing this is the standard Devils fan line of thinking, but it's a 2-horse race at this point. Henrique had an impressive season but there's no way he wins.

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How doesn't RNH deserve it? He got the same amount of points in 20 less games. If he played the entire season he would have run away with it.
Not the if thing again.

go look at any award and tell me where the if thing is mentioned.

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Oilers improved 14 points. Power play went from 29th to 3rd. PK went from 27th to 14th.

I find it dismissive to say oilers still suck and Avs improved alot when the difference between 20 points and 14 is 3 games or some overtime losses.
Team point changes have nothing to do with the Calder as they are team points.

they are going to look at each player individual contribution in the season and there are arguments for Read and Henrique being close to RNH overall in what they brought this season as a whole but neither should really be in the mix for 2nd which will be RNH and a fair amount behind Landeskog who lead in all rookies in terms of what he actually did on the ice this season.

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Oilers improved 14 points. Power play went from 29th to 3rd. PK went from 27th to 14th.

I find it dismissive to say oilers still suck and Avs improved alot when the difference between 20 points and 14 is 3 games or some overtime losses.
Oilers improved 12 points and were still bad due to the fact they were again a top lottery team. Colorado was in the same position coming into this season yet they fought for a playoff spot until the last game. Regardless of their PP and PK rankings (it certainly didn't help them this season) Colorado obviously improved way more than the Oilers and a huge part of that was Landeskog.

PPG is the only argument RNH has but PPG doesn't make you a calder winner. I'm in firm belief that the ROY is judged by the skilled rookie that impacts the game and their team the most - hence why Tyler Myers (deserving) won the Calder trophy over Tavares and Duchene

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