Good points but if we trade KOKO and Pavelka we will have to get picks and at least 1 Goalie out of it. I think getting a goalie like Windsor in Saginaw or Chartland in Belleville shouldnt cost us all that much, while D'Agostini in Peterbrough and Palazzese in Kitchener would cost a little more but not alot more. Those 4 should be the Goalies WR should go after to play about 40-48 games while Dekort i think needs to play 20-28 games next season
I doubt WR is getting much sleep at night, he sure has alot of things to figure out and alot of different options to try and improve this team. The smell of burning wood coming from the bowels of the WFCU is pretty strong these days.
Depends on how we want to play our goalie situation in 2014. Do we wait and pay an arm and a leg for an elite guy meaning we can look for an OA this season as well - or do we pay more for a 19 yr old goalie who will be with us as an OA in 2014.
It's interesting that we've dealt with all four teams in front of us - Marchese and Holden deals with Erie, Robertson/Trojanovic and Kassian/Watson deals with Petes, Campbell deal with Soo and Grubauer deal with Fronts - WR has certain rapport with all the teams who we'd look to be trading with to move up in import draft.
If I was to bet, I say we make a big trade with the Petes that will involve more than just the #9 import pick coming to us. There just seems to be the pieces where a big deal could happen.
If they need to go the OA route, why not Keegan Wilson in Brampton? He had a much better season than Morrison.
And that's the problem with OA's in that you sometimes need to go with the positions that you need to strengthen and not always the better or more skilled player.
It's interesting that we've dealt with all four teams in front of us - Marchese and Holden deals with Erie, Robertson/Trojanovic and Kassian/Watson deals with Petes, Campbell deal with Soo and Grubauer deal with Fronts - WR has certain rapport with all the teams who we'd look to be trading with to move up in import draft.
If I was to bet, I say we make a big trade with the Petes that will involve more than just the #9 import pick coming to us. There just seems to be the pieces where a big deal could happen.
I don't see where the pieces would be there to make a big deal with the Petes or any other team that sits ahead of us.
If the Petes were looking to deal for Khokhlachev than who would come back? Obviously adding him shows they want to make some noise so key pieces such as Puempel, Mathers, Quine would not be getting moved. I think Ritchie is pretty much untouchable and Murphy is similar to what we already have. Maybe Varga could be available but who else from their line up would really be of interest to Rychel.
A deal with the Petes would likely involve picks from the Petes for Khokhlachev and maybe another player or two from Windsor. Maybe a couple of players that would not be in their plans that would be nothing more than throw ins in a deal that likely don't hold much interest to Windsor.
Erie could see a bigger deal IMO if Pavelka was moved there as I said in my earlier post. A bigger deal involving a couple of 94s from Erie may make sense if they are still looking to continue to get younger. Crisp and Pelech may be of interest to Windsor but do they want to get even younger and does Windsor want to start adding in more picks when they still need to stockpile some more for a bid?
Kingston would be similar to Erie except that I don't think they want to get any younger than they will already be. I could see them moving 93s or fringe 94s but not key players that are 93s and 94s. Windsor may have some 94s that would interest them as well but again you are likely looking at Pavelka/picks/94s/95s but not any players coming back.
The Soo is interesting since they have a large number of 93s/94s in their line up. The question is what are they going to do this year? Are they going to try to piece together a decent team or completely clean house and look to add youth? I think Dubas has a tough situation in that the fans are getting tired of false hope so he likely looks to maintain a competitive team, a few 94 additions while moving a couple of 93s. I doubt Khokhlachev or Pavelka would be of interest to him.
Moving up in the import draft is likely a goal, and if moving both Khokhlachev and Pavelka is an option that means Windsor either keeps their pick and try to aquire a second one from one of the four in front of us or tries to get two in front of where he sits now which would be putting out a ton of assets to do.
Pavelka to Erie or Kingston makes sense. Khokhlachev to the Petes could make sense if they want a solid run but none of them have much that Windsor would want back outside of their import pick.
I guess ideally Rychel tries to make a deal with Erie/Kingston that sees Pavelka plus our import pick moved to one of them for their import pick then deal Khokhlachev to the Petes for their import pick plus picks.
I don't think there is any chance he leaves now until the 2015 season - unless Calgary or any other team makes a ridiculous offer that he simply can't refuse. After coming back after a year - he can't just leave again, especially when the Spits are back bidding to host the 2014 Memorial Cup.
Of course this is just reporter spec anyways because Bob played in Calgary for a couple of seasons a decade ago and was Captain in 2001-2002 season.
I don't think there is any chance he leaves now until the 2015 season - unless Calgary or any other team makes a ridiculous offer that he simply can't refuse. After coming back after a year - he can't just leave again, especially when the Spits are back bidding to host the 2014 Memorial Cup.
Of course this is just reporter spec anyways because Bob played in Calgary for a couple of seasons a decade ago and was Captain in 2001-2002 season.
Alot of NHL teams are waiting to see if any Coaches get fired if teams get eliminated early in the Playoffs before naming a new coach but he could be on the list of canidates
I don't think there is any chance he leaves now until the 2015 season - unless Calgary or any other team makes a ridiculous offer that he simply can't refuse. After coming back after a year - he can't just leave again, especially when the Spits are back bidding to host the 2014 Memorial Cup.
Of course this is just reporter spec anyways because Bob played in Calgary for a couple of seasons a decade ago and was Captain in 2001-2002 season.
Boughner needs to put to rest these rumors. These next two years are very big for the organization. Rychel may have a tough time recruiting players if there are questions about who the coach is going forward. Do the kids want to play for Boughner or Jones? That answer is pretty easy.
i dont think Calgary would be good for him right now maybe in 2-3 yes as he is more of a teacher type coach who likes to coach young kids who will be there for 4-5 years while Calgary has alot of older players. I could see Boughner going to the NHL after 2014 as for Jones i think he could be a head coach in the OHL. maybe a team like Oshawa or SSM could come calling
i dont think Calgary would be good for him right now maybe in 2-3 yes as he is more of a teacher type coach who likes to coach young kids who will be there for 4-5 years while Calgary has alot of older players. I could see Boughner going to the NHL after 2014 as for Jones i think he could be a head coach in the OHL. maybe a team like Oshawa or SSM could come calling
I've gotta agree that Boughner will be staying in the O for a few more years. If he'd spent more time as an NHL assistant the Flames would be all over him. Odds are if he can get the Spits back to elite status it will do the trick. If what you read is true the Flames will be a much younger team next year and they probably will want a teacher but most likely one with more experience.
Boughner needs to put to rest these rumors. These next two years are very big for the organization. Rychel may have a tough time recruiting players if there are questions about who the coach is going forward. Do the kids want to play for Boughner or Jones? That answer is pretty easy.
I agree. He should release a statement on Monday saying he's not listening to offers and will be a Spitfire coach for the next few years. I mean if you're the Schmaltz family you have Boughner, who was an NHL team captain, Executive Vice President of the NHLPA, CHL coach of the year, OHL coach of the year, U18 national team coach, NHL assistant coach or Jones, the guy who got into a fight with a 20 yr old kid at a bar.
Crisp and Pelech may be of interest to Windsor but do they want to get even younger and does Windsor want to start adding in more picks when they still need to stockpile some more for a bid?
No way is Erie going to even consider trading Pelech, consider him untouchable. I would like to think Erie could maybe get Pavelka but not at the expense of the 3rd import pick. I do not see why they would trade the pick that could potentially be one of their top 3 players.
It would give Erie a solid, steady solution in net, and someone to teach Williams.
There are cheaper options out there than what Windsor fans are proposing. Pavelka was good this year but I think people are really overrating what he did. Was he any better than OA Bobkov for Kingston who only cost a couple draft picks to get from London?
Bobkov 3.64 GAA .902 sv%
Niederberger with Barre is a potential OA next year but the Colts will probably go with Fotinos. Niederberger has been better than Pavelka this year. Erie could have interest in Mike Morrison who would be cheaper than what Windsor fans want for Pavelka. Definitely other options out there other than Pavelka.
There are cheaper options out there than what Windsor fans are proposing. Pavelka was good this year but I think people are really overrating what he did. Was he any better than OA Bobkov for Kingston who only cost a couple draft picks to get from London?
Bobkov 3.64 GAA .902 sv%
Niederberger with Barre is a potential OA next year but the Colts will probably go with Fotinos. Niederberger has been better than Pavelka this year. Erie could have interest in Mike Morrison who would be cheaper than what Windsor fans want for Pavelka. Definitely other options out there other than Pavelka.
That is what I was getting at, Pavelka played well in Windsor but he is not worth giving up that 3rd import pick. Like you said Niederberger is a good alternative and would be much cheaper, also goalies like Palazzese, Kevin Bailie, or this is a stretch but Jack Campbell. All three would not cost them that 3rd pick.
That is what I was getting at, Pavelka played well in Windsor but he is not worth giving up that 3rd import pick. Like you said Niederberger is a good alternative and would be much cheaper, also goalies like Palazzese, Kevin Bailie, or this is a stretch but Jack Campbell. All three would not cost them that 3rd pick.
I was just responding with some ideas of what Otto was saying concerning potentially bigger deals, certainly was not suggesting Pavelka would bring in that type of retun alone.
Pavelka certainly would not bring in the 3rd or 6th import pick by himself, he would have to be part of a package, probably a small part.
If you didn't see it I had suggested something else on the previous page that would be more inline with what it nay possibly take to get one of those picks, Pavelka +++.
That is what I was getting at, Pavelka played well in Windsor but he is not worth giving up that 3rd import pick. Like you said Niederberger is a good alternative and would be much cheaper, also goalies like Palazzese, Kevin Bailie, or this is a stretch but Jack Campbell. All three would not cost them that 3rd pick.
I don't think anybody is saying just Pavelka for the #3 overall. Campbell is going to play in the AHL next year, but even the others you mention are OA's - so it depends on how you want to burn those spots.
In the very least our #15 overall would surely be included, as well as other picks/players. For some perspective last year London tradef for the first overall import pick from Barrie to draft Ollie Maata -
London acquired the first overall import pick last season for Defenseman Reid McNeill
Mississauga’s 2nd Round Pick in 2013
London’s 3rd Round Pick in 2013
London’s 1st Round Pick ( 25th Overall ) in the 2011 CHL Import Draft.
I don't think anybody is saying just Pavelka for the #3 overall. Campbell is going to play in the AHL next year, but even the others you mention are OA's - so it depends on how you want to burn those spots.
In the very least our #15 overall would surely be included, as well as other picks/players. For some perspective last year London tradef for the first overall import pick from Barrie to draft Ollie Maata -
London acquired the first overall import pick last season for Defenseman Reid McNeill
Mississauga’s 2nd Round Pick in 2013
London’s 3rd Round Pick in 2013
London’s 1st Round Pick ( 25th Overall ) in the 2011 CHL Import Draft.
Yes I know it would not be straight up, Erie would obviously get the 15th pick but even at that its not worth it. Windsor is getting the better deal with that, I think they would have to throw in some picks or a player with some potential. I think Erie needs to hold onto this pick and take a goalie or top line forward. If they do not draft a goalie trade for a 19 year old or an OA.
I was just responding with some ideas of what Otto was saying concerning potentially bigger deals, certainly was not suggesting Pavelka would bring in that type of retun alone.
Pavelka certainly would not bring in the 3rd or 6th import pick by himself, he would have to be part of a package, probably a small part.
If you didn't see it I had suggested something else on the previous page that would be more inline with what it nay possibly take to get one of those picks, Pavelka +++.
This. Pavelka alone wouldn't do it, but he would be a great asset in a package deal for the Otters.
The player the Otters pick at 3 would probably be there at 15. They should be taking a sure fire kid that will report. Not rolling the dice to recruit a top kid.
The player the Otters pick at 3 would probably be there at 15. They should be taking a sure fire kid that will report. Not rolling the dice to recruit a top kid.
Definitely agree with that, but I do not know who they are targeting so its difficult to predict.
Then a deal of Pavelka, 15th and one of Windsor's ten second rounders for the 3rd isn't far off if Erie knows who they want is there at 15.
Right but if their target won't be there at 15 which I hope he isn't becuase I hope they can bring in top talent with mcdavid. Then I don't see the deal being worth it for Erie.
Right but if their target won't be there at 15 which I hope he isn't becuase I hope they can bring in top talent with mcdavid. Then I don't see the deal being worth it for Erie.
Just for reference sake:
2010:
Pick 23 - Alex Khokhlachev
Pick 17 - Maxim Kitsyn
2009:
Pick 24 - Tommy Kuhnhackl
Pick 42 - Ivan Telegin
2008:
Pick 25 - Phillip Grubauer
2006:
15 - Yannick Weber
18 - Marek Biro
27 - Michal Neuvirth
While it's obviously easier said than done, it's very possible to get someone legit from 15 on. In the Import Draft, it's not always where you pick, but who you know.
