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04-15-2012, 06:14 PM
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Any goalie would have taken 18 goals in 3 games behind our D.
MAF is not the reason we're the Flyers' beeyotch at this point. He's been far from stellar but look how many breakaway shots he's been facing.

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04-15-2012, 06:16 PM
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There 1st goal can't go in..... that's on MAF for sure, and if he doesnt **** that up this game probably goes completely different.

Nothing more deflating than that ****...

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IMO, when Fleury senses that his D can't protect him in a series, his brain disappears. That's the difference between him and an elite minder. When they get hung out to try the buckle down and find ways to carry the team despite ****** D. When he's confident in his D, he plays confident and cocky. When the D starts standing around game after game, he implodes.

That said I am not ready to give up on him. If we retool the D significantly and he does this again then all bets are off.
I don't think that's so much his mental stuff CV, that's physical ability. A goalie can only be expected to come up with so many jaw dropping saves per year, and this D has used up it's quota. We cannot expect a goalie to come up with top caliber saves night in and night out. The fact that everyone is down on Fleury for not coming up with a bunch of quality saves, just goes to show how bad this D has been.

NOW, before everyone jumps on me, this does not excuse Fleury from some pitiful goals, bad rebound control, and questionable angles. I think the Pen's do need to look to the draft this year and take a goalie with a pick or two. If you look down our depth chart, we are empty on goalies. We have Thiessen (who has shown he is not capable of NHL play) and Killeen (who I'm iffy on). There's no one that is capable of backing up Fleury or a future #1 starter. The Pen's need to get on the wagon and start grooming a successor/future replacement for MAF, especially with the way things are continuing to progress.

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04-15-2012, 06:18 PM
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Horrible defense and Fleury not making the big save at the right time were done thats the season.

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04-15-2012, 06:18 PM
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The shot quality thing...

Thing is, Fleury has played 8 seasons in the leauge and has put up a clearly above-average season once and that wasn't even a full season, a 35 game stint in 2007-08. Do people think MAF has played behind a bottom five defensive forward and defensive man group every year of his career?

Something to chew on here.

2003-04-JS Aubin was clearly better than MAF. MAF put almost same numbers as Andy Chiodo.
2005-06-MAF is terrible but better than the back-ups.
2006-07-Jocelyn Thibault puts up slightly better numbers than MAF.
2007-08-MAF's best year, Conklin puts up similar numbers.
2008-09-MAF clearly outperforms Danny Sabourin.
2009-10-MAF puts almost exact same numbers as Johnson.
2010-11-Johnson puts up slightly better numbers than MAF.
2011-12-MAF clearly is better than back-ups.

That kind of evidence just can't be hand-waved away. 3 times MAF is clearly better than back-up (though 1 of those seasons he was just less terrible than competition), every other season is a toss up.

His playoff numbers speak for themselves.


I rest my case on MAF as facing shot quality that makes his super saves count for more.

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04-15-2012, 06:19 PM
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You gotta be pretty good at remembering all the scoring chances around the league to make an argument that the penguins give up more of them than other teams.

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04-15-2012, 06:26 PM
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gotta say, maybe its time to realize MAF has lost it in the playoffs.

when we won he was hot. he hasnt been hot since. will he ever be hot again? probably not.

what can we do? they wont trade him, we wont sign a goalie, we won draft a goalie.

are we screwed forever?

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04-15-2012, 06:30 PM
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If i was him i`d give all that money he makes to criminals. They deserve it more than Marc Andre Fleury.

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04-15-2012, 06:32 PM
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gotta say, maybe its time to realize MAF has lost it in the playoffs.

when we won he was hot. he hasnt been hot since. will he ever be hot again? probably not.

what can we do? they wont trade him, we wont sign a goalie, we won draft a goalie.

are we screwed forever?
Yes, Lemieux should just move the team to Kansas City.

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04-15-2012, 06:38 PM
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This series is not on MAF. He made a handful of HUGE saves in gm 1 before we pissed it away. There have been way too many flyers alone in our zone for way too much time. Too many breakdowns allowing breakaways or odd man rushes.

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04-15-2012, 06:39 PM
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You gotta be pretty good at remembering all the scoring chances around the league to make an argument that the penguins give up more of them than other teams.
Or...we just watch games from other teams and markets and realize we aren't seeing nearly as many breakaways and 2 on 1's against. Even in this series, while the Philly D certainly hasn't been stellar (and Bryz has also been bad), how many breakaways have we had? How many 2 on 1's that the shot is actually put on net?

Compare that to the breakaways and 2 on 1's we've allowed.

Fleury has been putrid this series. Game 1, he actually saved the teams bacon for the large part of the game, but then he let in that weak 2nd goal, and it's been downhill since then.

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04-15-2012, 06:41 PM
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Anyone think his confidence at a all-time low. He was looking pretty somber on the bench, and for good reason too.

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04-15-2012, 06:45 PM
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Fleury stinks.

two years ago he cost us game 7 against the Habs, he lets in softies every single game....he is a below average goaltender and i am tired that some people consider him elite....give me a break

his past 300 games, he has allowed 300 softies...i have no link to prove that stat

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04-15-2012, 06:48 PM
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Anyone think his confidence at a all-time low. He was looking pretty somber on the bench, and for good reason too.
Of course he's not happy. He knows he **** the bed this series, and yes, his confidence probably is extremely low right now, both in himself and in his defence in front of him.

I said it before, I'll say it again. Resting Fleury after the 6-4 loss to Philly was a giant mistake.

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04-15-2012, 06:50 PM
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I just hope we can move Orpik, Michalek, and Martin's contracts.

Fluery, Malkin, Letang, Neal, and Crosby (hopefully) is a core that rivals any team's core in the league. We need to put together a gritty, stronger defense in front of Fleury rather than these ***** puck moving d-men.

That said, he's sucked balls this series.

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04-15-2012, 07:14 PM
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He's had that headcase rap since before he ever set foot in the NHL. I don't think it's going away. He'll always be that Jeckyll and Hyde type of guy.

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04-15-2012, 07:25 PM
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He needs less games.

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04-15-2012, 07:27 PM
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He needs less games.
Yes, he need a good starting goalie in front of him.

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I think he's definitely overrated(by Pens fans) and certainly not "elite" like so many like to claim. But he's proven in the past to be reliable enough to get us to a cup. That's all that matters for me. This series has just been a perfect storm of everyone playing their worst at the exact same time.

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04-15-2012, 07:29 PM
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04-15-2012, 07:43 PM
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I think he's definitely overrated(by Pens fans) and certainly not "elite" like so many like to claim. But he's proven in the past to be reliable enough to get us to a cup. That's all that matters for me. This series has just been a perfect storm of everyone playing their worst at the exact same time.
I think too many people care about the term 'elite'. Personally, I haven't called him elite. I think that term, if to be used, is reserved for teh very top echelon of goalies. That being Rinne, Lundqvist, Thomas, and now Quick.

His confidence is shot. That's always been the knock against him, consistency, and for the past year and a half, it looked like he battled it mostly. But then the Islanders broke him, and Byslma decided it'd be best to rest him down the stretch instead of let him play himself out of it. I'm still pissed off at that (and you can go back to the GDT's, I was pissed at the time too).

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I think he's definitely overrated(by Pens fans) and certainly not "elite" like so many like to claim. But he's proven in the past to be reliable enough to get us to a cup. That's all that matters for me. This series has just been a perfect storm of everyone playing their worst at the exact same time.
You win a cup, you get overrated. It's one of the perks.
The Penguins have lost tons of grit and character off of the teams that went to the finals. Couple that with a goalie that lets in deflating, series altering goals and you have a team that will not be a threat to do any post season damage anytime soon. The Penguins need to do a massive overhaul on their roster. We'll see if Ray Shero has the guts to do it.

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04-15-2012, 07:51 PM
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Hes also overrated because he was taken 1st overall. It makes people believe he is something special, a franchise goalie. But the truth is that is was a big mistake

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04-15-2012, 08:02 PM
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Even on the Cup run, Fleury was shelling out some soft-serve in many games. And not just some, "he could have had it" type of things, but absolute howlers that literally people on this board would have saved. It's been part of what he's brought to the table his whole career, dating back to the infamous world juniors.

He's not going anywhere so we have to live with it.

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