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04-16-2012, 10:43 AM
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Basically result (aka injury) >>> The act itself and intent according to Shanahan and Co.

Had Z got concussed there woulda been a suspension.

Deliberately smashing someones face into glass is worse than elbows and punch (which may or may not be intentional) if you ask me. But Bitz, Hagelin, Carkner and probably Asham all got suspended.

We won the game Weber woulda been suspended for anyway so its moot but there's a principle involved.

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This was just so terrible. mod NHL. It really isnt any consistence. Terrible and embarresing!

Love that flow chart (LOL)


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Basically result (aka injury) >>> The act itself and intent according to Shanahan and Co.
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Do you know the intent?

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Do you know the intent?
Obviously I can't read Weber's mind but grabbing someone's head and smashing it into the glass is probably intent to injure. I don't think thats something you do just to do it.

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That's why it's funny... it still applies today. Use that chart and you'll know exactly how suspensions work!
What happens when Pronger & Avery retire?

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What happens when Pronger & Avery retire?
The league finds new guys like that to pick on.

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Do you know the intent?
He probably intended to give him a friendly pat on the head but just misjudged his own strength.

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Do you know the intent?


i'm sure his intent was to just give his good ol buddy zetterberg a nice pat on the head

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He probably intended to give him a friendly pat on the head but just misjudged his own strength.
That's why webbering has gone viral

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i'm sure his intent was to just give his good ol buddy zetterberg a nice pat on the head
So you don;t know.

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Obviously I can't read Weber's mind but grabbing someone's head and smashing it into the glass is probably intent to injure. I don't think thats something you do just to do it.
Intent is a hard thing to gauge.

Given everything that's happened this year, I thought it was likely Weber would sit for a game. In retrospect, it's maybe a good thing he didn't.

We won with him there. Maybe they "rally" around the idea of winning without their big man if he is out.

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So you don;t know.
Really? You're stickin with that are ya?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you the same guy who knows that whenever Kronwall throws a big hit he intends to injure his target?

Intent is a hard thing to gauge. But if there is a such thing as a cut and dry case, this is it. There's not much to misjudge about a missed punch to the back of the head followed by a shove of your face into a glass wall.

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Really? You're stickin with that are ya?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you the same guy who knows that whenever Kronwall throws a big hit he intends to injure his target?

Intent is a hard thing to gauge. But if there is a such thing as a cut and dry case, this is it. There's not much to misjudge about a missed punch to the back of the head followed by a shove of your face into a glass wall.
Touche.
But Kronwall is considered perhaps the hardest open ice hitter in the game.

It didn't look to me like Weber put his full force into his action.
It seems obvious that Kronwall does

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Really? You're stickin with that are ya?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you the same guy who knows that whenever Kronwall throws a big hit he intends to injure his target?

Intent is a hard thing to gauge. But if there is a such thing as a cut and dry case, this is it. There's not much to misjudge about a missed punch to the back of the head followed by a shove of your face into a glass wall.
Hard to say he was doing anything but trying to hurt 7

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So I just watched Shanny's explanation of a 3-game suspension to Shaw for charging Phoenix goaltender, Mike Smith, and hitting the head.

Shanny points out that Shaw has no priors, thus a first time offender. Smith was not injured on the play and remained in the game.

How does this differ from the Weber-Z incident? Z was not injured, Weber was a first-time offender, but the head was hit (and rather deliberately bashed into a pane of glass by Weber).


What am I missing?

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So I just watched Shanny's explanation of a 3-game suspension to Shaw for charging Phoenix goaltender, Mike Smith, and hitting the head.

Shanny points out that Shaw has no priors, thus a first time offender. Smith was not injured on the play and remained in the game.

How does this differ from the Weber-Z incident? Z was not injured, Weber was a first-time offender, but the head was hit (and rather deliberately bashed into a pane of glass by Weber).


What am I missing?
What you are missing is the shatstorm of bad press that the NHL got over the weekend.
Seriously, if you're not a Don Cherry convert yet, god help you.

I notice that you can't even hardly find Coaches Corner on CBC's front page anymore.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockeynight...#id=2223645631

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This suspension of Shaw, on that disgraceful dive, is pathetic.

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This suspension of Shaw, on that disgraceful dive, is pathetic.

Honestly, the part about no one being injured has been one place Shanaban committee has rested their hat all season. You get some embellishment from Smith to boot, and he gets 3 playoff games?


I honestly have no idea what the heck is going on. So now I'm bracing myself for the Penguins players who will have hearings today. They'll probably get their knuckles rapped with $2500 bucks too, and someone saying there were no injuries too. HF is going to form a singularity and disappear into a black hole forever.

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I dunno. Maybe Shaw told SHanny that he tried to hit him because he was out of his crease.
I think it's a joke.
And I think the more people some regimented, perfect disciplinary system to mete out justice, the more they'll be disappointed.

It's hard to know how to control two teams that are intent on killing each other.

One thing I always did when I officiated was lay down the hammer early. A little pushing and shoving early in a game when you know it's going to be ugly?
Two minute minors, automatic. And if they *****, warn them that the next word out of their mouth will be 2 more minutes.

You've got to try to be even-handed as possible, but if one team is going to ask for it, you've got to give it.

There are games, when you are an official, when you KNOW that you're going to have to stay on top of every inch of the game, and even then, you won't be able to control it.

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So I just watched Shanny's explanation of a 3-game suspension to Shaw for charging Phoenix goaltender, Mike Smith, and hitting the head.

Shanny points out that Shaw has no priors, thus a first time offender. Smith was not injured on the play and remained in the game.

How does this differ from the Weber-Z incident? Z was not injured, Weber was a first-time offender, but the head was hit (and rather deliberately bashed into a pane of glass by Weber).


What am I missing?
I would guess a big difference is Smith is listed as a game time decision and the Coyotes are trying to maintain he is a little banged up from it. Z and the Wings could have easily said Z is questionable to go after the game, kept their cards close to their vest and hoped it got a couple of games.

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Harold Snepts posted on the SC board that Weber had one fine earlier this season. Is that true?


I think the league concluded that suspending Weber would easily tilt the series far too much in favor of the Wings, so much so that it could determine the ultimate outcome. Maybe that's what they were trying to avoid. Oh well.

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Harold Snepts posted on the SC board that Weber had one fine earlier this season. Is that true?


I think the league concluded that suspending Weber would easily tilt the series far too much in favor of the Wings, so much so that it could determine the ultimate outcome. Maybe that's what they were trying to avoid. Oh well.
Ah, so you're just seeing this Smith suspension to reargue to the Weber suspension.

Weber wasn't suspended.
Good thing, too. Because we won.
Maybe if he was suspended, the Preds rally and win that game, like the Ducks did to us when Pronger got suspended.
Then we might be looking at being in a 3-0 hole.

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http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.ph...on-suspension/
Zetterberg is still talking about it.

For one, people didn't see Weber get away with it and say, to themselves, in the heat of the moment, "Since Weber did it, I can do it!"

For two, stop letting Nashville think that you're concerned about this.
Take it up after the season if it means that much

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Zetterberg is still talking about it.

For one, people didn't see Weber get away with it and say, to themselves, in the heat of the moment, "Since Weber did it, I can do it!"

For two, stop letting Nashville think that you're concerned about this.
Take it up after the season if it means that much
you mean the media is still talking about it. somebody from the media asked zetterberg about the recent suspensions and he gave his honest response. i don't know why you are killing z for it

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you mean the media is still talking about it. somebody from the media asked zetterberg about the recent suspensions and he gave his honest response. i don't know why you are killing z for it
I am not killing Z for it.
Just don't respond, is the best course.

Let Jon Toews, not involved in the series, comment on it.

Z just allowed himself to be a quote in a story that was written in the reporter's head before he even talked to Z.

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