HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > The History of Hockey
The History of Hockey Relive great moments in hockey history and discuss how the game has changed over time.

Andy Moog. The Man, The Goalie.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
04-13-2012, 09:27 PM
  #1
WingsFan95
Registered User
 
WingsFan95's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,625
vCash: 500
Andy Moog. The Man, The Goalie.

When Andy Moog decided to call it a career, he stood at 372 career wins and 7th all time.

He had 4 All-Star Game appearances and 3 Stanley Cup rings. All of those Cups came as a secondary goaltender to Fuhr, but he would help lead the Bruins to two Stanley Cup Finals appearances and collected 68 career playoff wins, still good for 10th place ( 8th at time of retirement ).

He received a Jennings Trophy in 1990.

Hall of Famer? Not in a million years, yet of all those players who will never be inducted, Andy Moog stands as one of the more peculiar cases. It's as easy as seeing him win the 3 Oiler Cups instead of Fuhr ( and he probably could have ) and he may be regarded as one of the greats. He did not, and joins the forgotten.



Discuss.

WingsFan95 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-13-2012, 09:45 PM
  #2
TheMoreYouKnow
Registered User
 
TheMoreYouKnow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Eire
Posts: 8,297
vCash: 500
Solid goalie, as you said not a Hall of Fame goalie but I have always held him in good esteem.

TheMoreYouKnow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-13-2012, 10:29 PM
  #3
LeBlondeDemon10
Registered User
 
LeBlondeDemon10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,633
vCash: 500
Perhaps his biggest moment came early in his career when he stoned the Canadiens in a 3 game sweep. After that he was an adequate goalie with points for longevity and fortunate to play on winning teams.

LeBlondeDemon10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-13-2012, 10:49 PM
  #4
Karnov
Registered User
 
Karnov's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Helsinki
Posts: 393
vCash: 500
Here's hockeygoalies.org article about Moog:

http://hockeygoalies.org/bio/moog.html

That's a great site, by the way. Especially those old quotes about former goalies are great.

And Moog had one of the best looking pads when played with the Stars. Pads should be brown!


Karnov is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-13-2012, 11:23 PM
  #5
Killion
Global Moderator
Semolina Pilchard
 
Killion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Eiffel Tower
Posts: 21,306
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeBlondeDemon10 View Post
Perhaps his biggest moment came early in his career when he stoned the Canadiens in a 3 game sweep. After that he was an adequate goalie with points for longevity and fortunate to play on winning teams.
Well no LeBlondeDemon. He totally stoned your Habs HC in 81 and because he was drafted so lowly, was usurped by Fuhr in Edmonton. "He" of the fast catcher & feet. The Mike Palmateer Academy Award Performance trophy for turning an ordinary save into the spectacular. ... Moogs old Man was a star with the Penticton Vee's Sr. A Team. Lad had it in his blood. Seriously under-rated. Gypped from a path and dang it, the Rings that he deserved. Gone on to be a "Professor of Goaltending" with various NHL teams, camps, amateurs, semi & minor pro players. When will you Quebec people give BC some credit?. Hell, we gave you John Ferguson already. We accommodate your kids up at Whistler. Cut me some slack wiil ya?... even though Im not from here, a Torontonian to boot, hate your guts...


Last edited by Killion: 04-13-2012 at 11:31 PM.
Killion is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2012, 02:21 AM
  #6
Big Phil
Registered User
 
Big Phil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Country: Canada
Posts: 18,166
vCash: 500
I put him a bit higher on the HHOF pecking order than some do around here although I agree that he should never get in.

But I really have never seen a reason for all the Osgood hype when Moog is at least his equal. Moog may best be remembered as Fuhr's back up, but the truth is he played a heck of a lot of playoff hockey in his career and a heck of a lot of hockey in general. He was the starting goalie on those very, very good Bruins teams.

Bottom line is this, like Osgood, he was relatively safe. He wasn't going to give up the bad goal to cost you a series (okay Osgood did in 1994). But he wasn't usually going to steal a series either although he and Gretzky did in 1981. He was a good goalie and steady and solid. That's how I describe him. He just had a very good career along the way I felt and if I compare him to someone on the HHOF pecking order I would compare him closely to the hard luck Liut.

Big Phil is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2012, 06:50 AM
  #7
ot92s
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 737
vCash: 500
Lemelin & Moog great combo for the b's...

fuhr & moog, damn edmonton was loaded...

ot92s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2012, 08:56 AM
  #8
Rhiessan71
Just a Fool
 
Rhiessan71's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Guelph, Ont
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,913
vCash: 500
The only bad thing I have to say about Moog is that he was one of those guys that absolutely refused to shake hands after losing a playoff series.

Rhiessan71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2012, 11:56 AM
  #9
LeBlondeDemon10
Registered User
 
LeBlondeDemon10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,633
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killion View Post
Well no LeBlondeDemon. He totally stoned your Habs HC in 81 and because he was drafted so lowly, was usurped by Fuhr in Edmonton. "He" of the fast catcher & feet. The Mike Palmateer Academy Award Performance trophy for turning an ordinary save into the spectacular. ... Moogs old Man was a star with the Penticton Vee's Sr. A Team. Lad had it in his blood. Seriously under-rated. Gypped from a path and dang it, the Rings that he deserved. Gone on to be a "Professor of Goaltending" with various NHL teams, camps, amateurs, semi & minor pro players. When will you Quebec people give BC some credit?. Hell, we gave you John Ferguson already. We accommodate your kids up at Whistler. Cut me some slack wiil ya?... even though Im not from here, a Torontonian to boot, hate your guts...
Perhaps I'm biased. But hey, what do you expect from a Winnipegger?

LeBlondeDemon10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2012, 02:01 PM
  #10
Actp
DO NOT TRADE KREJCI!
 
Actp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Earth
Country: United States
Posts: 4,354
vCash: 500
hmmm First let me say thanks for the background information, Killion. Everyone knew Moog was very compeitive but having it in your blood that way motivates like few other things, obviously. Second, hard to know with Moog wether he was an overahiever, a benficiary of one great and one very good team, or most likely, both. I always thought that he went over the cliff fast, but 12 or 13 years is a long time to play at the highest level while making deep playoff runs every year. One note about Moog the goalie. He was capable of stealing a series or at least stoping the flood waters as he did against Hartford in 90-91.?

Actp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2012, 02:23 PM
  #11
Killion
Global Moderator
Semolina Pilchard
 
Killion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Eiffel Tower
Posts: 21,306
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeBlondeDemon10 View Post
But hey, what do you expect from a Winnipegger?
... a triple order of Perogies from Alycias' down on Cathedral sent by UPS to YVR for starters.

Killion is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2012, 03:42 PM
  #12
LeBlondeDemon10
Registered User
 
LeBlondeDemon10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,633
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killion View Post
... a triple order of Perogies from Alycias' down on Cathedral sent by UPS to YVR for starters.
Sorry bud, they closed down a couple of years ago.

LeBlondeDemon10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2012, 02:12 PM
  #13
Big Phil
Registered User
 
Big Phil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Country: Canada
Posts: 18,166
vCash: 500
Here's a question, if Moog and the Bruins win the Cup in 1990, is he considered a much stronger candidate for the HHOF?

Big Phil is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2012, 02:37 PM
  #14
vadim sharifijanov
Registered User
 
vadim sharifijanov's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 8,865
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Phil View Post
Here's a question, if Moog and the Bruins win the Cup in 1990, is he considered a much stronger candidate for the HHOF?
hmmm, i don't see it. i think that puts him somewhere between a poor man's rogie vachon and a rich man's ranford. i guess it puts him closer, but i still don't think it's a strong case when you match him up against vernon, barrasso, beezer, joseph, and maybe you could put him somewhere in the ballpark of osgood and richter.

vadim sharifijanov is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-15-2012, 03:44 PM
  #15
blogofmike
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 524
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Phil View Post
Here's a question, if Moog and the Bruins win the Cup in 1990, is he considered a much stronger candidate for the HHOF?
Probably no. He'd still be behind Vernon, who's not in.

blogofmike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-16-2012, 11:01 AM
  #16
jumptheshark
Give the dog a bone
 
jumptheshark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: hf retirement home
Country: United Nations
Posts: 52,292
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by blogofmike View Post
Probably no. He'd still be behind Vernon, who's not in.
Vernon retired at the start of this year--so to say he is not in is a bit misleading as he has to wait 2 more seasons before he can get in

__________________
trying to fend off exwife number 2
45000/010113
GO SHARKS GO
jumptheshark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-16-2012, 11:36 AM
  #17
vadim sharifijanov
Registered User
 
vadim sharifijanov's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 8,865
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by DogEatDog View Post
Vernon retired at the start of this year--so to say he is not in is a bit misleading as he has to wait 2 more seasons before he can get in
??? as far as i can tell, vernon last played 10 years ago.

vadim sharifijanov is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-16-2012, 03:43 PM
  #18
Big Phil
Registered User
 
Big Phil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Country: Canada
Posts: 18,166
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by DogEatDog View Post
Vernon retired at the start of this year--so to say he is not in is a bit misleading as he has to wait 2 more seasons before he can get in
Mike Vernon, Calgary Flames/Red Wings goalie last played in 2002 and was eligible in 2005 and onwards.

Big Phil is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-18-2012, 08:33 AM
  #19
shazariahl
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,393
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Phil View Post
I put him a bit higher on the HHOF pecking order than some do around here although I agree that he should never get in.

But I really have never seen a reason for all the Osgood hype when Moog is at least his equal. Moog may best be remembered as Fuhr's back up, but the truth is he played a heck of a lot of playoff hockey in his career and a heck of a lot of hockey in general. He was the starting goalie on those very, very good Bruins teams.

Bottom line is this, like Osgood, he was relatively safe. He wasn't going to give up the bad goal to cost you a series (okay Osgood did in 1994). But he wasn't usually going to steal a series either although he and Gretzky did in 1981. He was a good goalie and steady and solid. That's how I describe him. He just had a very good career along the way I felt and if I compare him to someone on the HHOF pecking order I would compare him closely to the hard luck Liut.
Agreed. Moog was more than just your typical backup, too. Many seasons he and Fuhr split the goaltending duties 50/50 (or very very nearly); each rotated games. And while its true that Fuhr was the main guy come playoffs, Moog ended up being a pretty key factor in at least a couple cups.

The Oilers first championship, Fuhr was injured and Moog played games 4 and 5 vs the Islanders, both victories, and he played well in each.

If I'm not mistaken, he also closed out one of our series's vs the Flyers, again when Fuhr was injured. Fact is, Moog was good enough that had the Oilers never drafted Fuhr, they still would have won all the cups they did, except maybe the 7 gamer vs Flyers.

Growing up in Edmonton and watching both goalies play, I honestly felt that Fuhr was the better goalie when he was at the top of his game, but he was also MUCH more prone to giving up weak goals. Moog wasn't as spectacular, but he was also much more consistant. He wouldn't steal you as many games, but he also wouldn't give up 5 goals in the 3rd period and another in OT to cost you the series vs the Kings

shazariahl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-18-2012, 03:25 PM
  #20
Big Phil
Registered User
 
Big Phil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Country: Canada
Posts: 18,166
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by shazariahl View Post
Growing up in Edmonton and watching both goalies play, I honestly felt that Fuhr was the better goalie when he was at the top of his game, but he was also MUCH more prone to giving up weak goals. Moog wasn't as spectacular, but he was also much more consistant. He wouldn't steal you as many games, but he also wouldn't give up 5 goals in the 3rd period and another in OT to cost you the series vs the Kings
Hey now, give the kid a break, he was just shy of 20 years old! But yeah, there was a goal or two that he should have had in his back pocket.

Big Phil is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:23 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.