That's what I've been saying all along about the goalies. Maybe it's not just the goalies that are at fault. Look back at when Gus first entered the NHL. He was an athletic type goalie. Fast forward to now, and Allaire has him playing the don't move too much, drop down into a butterfly and let the puck hit you. Gus is the kind of goalie that has to move around. It's the style that got him this far. His successes this season are when he seems scrambly, and yet makes the saves.
Just saying, maybe take the Allaire blinders off for a minute.
Spoke to a pretty renowned goalie scout about this. He concurs. Gus is being asked to adapt to a style that is not suited for the type of game he plays. He relies on a whole other set of mechanics than conventional butterfly/school of block type goalies, and it has been very difficult on him trying to transition to a style where you play simply the angles and percentages and hope the puck hits you.
Chances are, he re-emerges elsewhere and finds success.
Yah the butterfly style is really irrelevant. You have no idea what you're talking about. Giguere was exceptional this year.
Allaire's isn't just a simple butterfly. There is a more athletic butterfly style that works well in the NHL today.
Allaire's style is to go down into the butterfly early and take up as much room as possible. Let the puck hit you. Not move into the path of the puck. Huge difference.
Spoke to a pretty renowned goalie scout about this. He concurs. Gus is being asked to adapt to a style that is not suited for the type of game he plays. He relies on a whole other set of mechanics than conventional butterfly/school of block type goalies, and it has been very difficult on him trying to transition to a style where you play simply the angles and percentages and hope the puck hits you.
Chances are, he re-emerges elsewhere and finds success.
Allaire's isn't just a simple butterfly. There is a more athletic butterfly style that works well in the NHL today.
Allaire's style is to go down into the butterfly early and take up as much room as possible. Let the puck hit you. Not move into the path of the puck. Huge difference.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
That's up to the individual tendencies of the goalies. Go watch Hiller sometime. Watch Roy and Giguere tapes. They are athletic goalies who play butterfly. They don't simply "block" as you ignorantly claim.
But by all means, keep repeating uneducated talking points from the Toronto Star.
That's up to the individual tendencies of the goalies. Go watch Hiller sometime. Watch Roy and Giguere tapes. They are athletic goalies who play butterfly. They don't simply "block" as you ignorantly claim.
But by all means, keep repeating uneducated talking points from the Toronto Star.
Disagree re Giguere. Hes not known at all for athleticism. Quite the contrary. Giguere is a block-style goalie whip relies on positioning and economy of motion due to his lateral movement challenges. He doesn't scramble; he just anticipates well, and stays square to the shooter.
I talked to a guy who knows a guy who talked to a guy who said that Allaire actually ties his students arms and legs together at practices so that they will learn not to move when the puck is shot at them.
Disagree re Giguere. Hes not known at all for athleticism. Quite the contrary. Giguere is a block-style goalie whip relies on positioning and economy of motion due to his lateral movement challenges. He doesn't scramble; he just anticipates well, and stays square to the shooter.
Absolutely true. But the myth that he is somehow unathletic is simply false. He was hobbled by injury here, but in 2003 he was able to use his leg strength to do a ton of impressive lateral movement saves.
Positioning always comes first, you're right, but I simply do not accept the idea that Allaire teaches his goalies to be unathletic.
Absolutely true. But the myth that he is somehow unathletic is simply false. He was hobbled by injury here, but in 2003 he was able to use his leg strength to do a ton of impressive lateral movement saves.
Positioning always comes first, you're right, but I simply do not accept the idea that Allaire teaches his goalies to be unathletic.
Agreed, he expects them to be in top shape, be extremely flexible, and to be excellent skaters. Obviously, .t takes tremendous stamina to compete at the pro level The Allaire school relies primarily on playing percentages and being a blocker first and foremost. If you're square to the shooter and seal off the bottom of the net, and keep your arms compact, chances are the puck hits you more times than it gets by you. Economy of motion doesn't mean un-athletic, however, I agree. Goalies need incredible lower body strength to win crease battles and to keep from being knocked around out there.
Giggy had leg strength, but the groin and hip issues limited his flexibility and shot recovery. More often than not, he was a sponge and pucks would drop dead in front of him...
Gus chose to attend several Allaire camps and on at least one occasion brought his own goalie coach to camp so they could be consistent in training.
His may or may not be well suited to Allaire's style, but he knew what Allaire was about and HE WANTED to play that way.
For idea the style is outdated Giguere's play, and in the last third of the season Hiller's play proved it can still work.
I firmly believe it will not work so well if opponents have time and space though. Wilson's run and gun is not compatible with Allaire's blocking / percentage approach.
That isn't Wilson's fault, or Allaire's, it is Burke's for not building a coaching staff with all parts buying into the same methodology.
hes not canned yet .....but hes gettin out of dodge before his goalie schools collapse
same as much of the toronto front office ....burke dragged them all down with him
cant wait till the first ron wilson quotes about this years trade dealine and leaving him out to dry
Honestly, whatever's been going on in practice just hasn't been working. The time has come to scratch off the last season of bad memories for our goalies with a fresh input and new eye's.
Allaire has done great things in other situations, but I think the Leafs need a goalie coach who does not have a rigid system. The kind of coach that is needed adjusts to the goalies he is working with, not the other way around.
Agree.I think a good goalie coach like a good MLB hitting coach just helps the players fix holes in their game that opponents are exploiting. I also think the talent has to be there to begin with and the coach-ability of the player. It's also complicated by other factors like the team in hockey or the players hitting around you in baseball, game time coaching decisions are a factor. I'm not sure that the monster was handled well by the previous coach. I'm not sure any or many of the players were handled well. The Beauchemin story lends some credence to that. I think Gus should move on. There are better situations for him than this looney bin that our team has become.
25. Here is the scoop on Maple Leafs goalie coach Francois Allaire: He is telling people he is fed up with being made a scapegoat in Toronto and is considering retiring from the league to concentrate on his goalie school. The "scapegoating" is not coming from inside the organization as GM Brian Burke took pains to publicly defend him. Prominent goalie coaches who could be interested are Eli Wilson (Carey Price) and Andy Nowicki, who coached James Reimer in Red Deer, Alta.
25. Here is the scoop on Maple Leafs goalie coach Francois Allaire: He is telling people he is fed up with being made a scapegoat in Toronto and is considering retiring from the league to concentrate on his goalie school. The "scapegoating" is not coming from inside the organization as GM Brian Burke took pains to publicly defend him. Prominent goalie coaches who could be interested are Eli Wilson (Carey Price) and Andy Nowicki, who coached James Reimer in Red Deer, Alta.
Thanks for the quote.
Allaire, sure sounds like a sensitive one. A tiny bit if media pressure and he wants to call it quits? Oh well, his style of goaltendening is already well known and easily exposed.
Out of those those two candidates, barring his unfortunate last name, Eli Wilson sure sounds like a great choice (specially if he can bring Price along with him )
Sounds like Allaire's mistake is reading the local newspapers.
The biggest mistake teachers/coaches make is having tunnel vision that there is only one route to success. Hall of Fame goalies like Hasek, Brodeur, Roy, Fuhr, Belfour, etc. all played radically different styles.
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