its become trendy to say suter > weber but reality is he has very little on him. hes a smooth passer and great positionally, but webers as good or better at everything else. way more of an impact player. the type you build a defense, a franchise around. suter is not that guy nor will he ever be. 7m? ehh, in this day and age with the cap why not. but no, not gonna put a team over the top unless theyre already real close.
It was a small sample size, so take it with a grain of salt. IIRC the Preds had a better record for the few games Weber was out with his concussion and Suter was in than the few when Suter was out but Weber played.
It was a small sample size, so take it with a grain of salt. IIRC the Preds had a better record for the few games Weber was out with his concussion and Suter was in than the few when Suter was out but Weber played.
Suter and Weber missed one game together the last game. Weber missed 2 other games this season, Suter missed 1 other game.
Not a good comparison is it? I don't know the results but that's way to small of a sample size.
I know last year when Suter missed they teamed Weber up with Boulion, it was a trainwreck as Weber had to consistantly cover for Boullion. Our depth is much better now that Josi has come on, we just need Blum back on track and ellis to keep progressing.
He's gonna look worse without Weber and when he signs for that high of a price tag, I would not be shocked to see pitchforks lining up beside his mansion.
I think it's the other way around. He would make Phaneuf look like a #1 d-man
He's not better than Chara, Lidstrom , Keith , Pietrangelo , Letang , Weber and I would take OEL ,Yandle , Subban , Doughty , Karlsson , Larsson and Gudbranson over him .
I think suter realizes that he makes right strong 2-way dmen look better but they compliment him as well, thats why wherever he signs i think thats a requirement, so that eliminates roughly half the teams, some good places for him to sign imo would be Detroit, St. Louis, Nashville, Colorado, Winnipeg, Pittsburgh, New Jersey, Buffulo, etc.
I think suter realizes that he makes right strong 2-way dmen look better but they compliment him as well, thats why wherever he signs i think thats a requirement, so that eliminates roughly half the teams, some good places for him to sign imo would be Detroit, St. Louis, Nashville, Colorado, Winnipeg, Pittsburgh, New Jersey, Buffulo, etc.
As an Avalanche fan, I believe there's good chance he signs with Avalanche, which would be pretty awesome. We have young team, which is still missing some pieces, but with Suter and one good goal scorer, I think we are close to make an impact.
As an Avalanche fan, I believe there's good chance he signs with Avalanche, which would be pretty awesome. We have young team, which is still missing some pieces, but with Suter and one good goal scorer, I think we are close to make an impact.
If Suter leaves Nashville he will be going Northeast or Minny. I'm pretty confident in that.
I disagree, I think Suter is a tremendous defensemen and arguably the best in terms of defensive abilities and smarts but his offensive output is just over above average for a top 5 d-man in the league and neither does he provide much grit to his game to warrant that he is the most rounded d-man.
That being said I had say he is definitely worth about 6.5 mil or slightly more and he will possibly get over 7 mil if he is going to hit the free agency and that team should be more than happy to have him anchoring their back-end.
I will put my thoughts in summary perspective. I see him as tremendous, smart and arguably the best defensive d-man but his lack of high-end offense added with limited physical edge won't help him be worth above 7 mil, IMO
I'm not sure Suter is worth $7m, but I'm sure he will get something close to it. He is actually a very good defenseman who has been having a bit of a rough stretch. As long as he is paired with another legitimate top pairing guy he will be fine. $7m could be an overpayment, but if the cap continues to increase the price tag won't look as bad.
I really think people underestimate the number of teams that will be hot on Suter's heels (and the subsequent dollars/term he will command). The consensus seems to be he is no Weber, and that's true-he isn't the same kind of player. He is though a very good d-man in his own right-a legit #1 on virtually any team and one of the top 6 or 7 d-men in the league.
Weber is better; let's just put that argument to rest now. It's not a wide margin though and they are a match made in hockey heaven. Suter is one of the best puck handling defenseman in the league. Positionally, he is possibly the best defenseman up there with Lidstrom and others. You will definitely not be getting a physical defenseman though; he has some trouble with power forwards that can drop a shoulder and drive through and he's more of a "let me tie this guy up in the corner and try to poke the puck out" than a "Shea Weber hulk smash puck mine!" guy obviously.
All that said, he has been slumping badly over the last two months and has been so-so in the playoffs. He's had some uncharacteristically poor positional plays leading to goals as well. You need to look at the larger body of work though as I think the contract issues (all brought on by himself) have been a part of it.
He's a premier defenseman and I think, if he leaves, he's getting a solid 5 year / $7mm cap hit per type of deal. Maybe $7.5mm or $8.0mm just because teams are dying for #1 D guys.
Weber is better; let's just put that argument to rest now. It's not a wide margin though and they are a match made in hockey heaven. Suter is one of the best puck handling defenseman in the league. Positionally, he is possibly the best defenseman up there with Lidstrom and others. You will definitely not be getting a physical defenseman though; he has some trouble with power forwards that can drop a shoulder and drive through and he's more of a "let me tie this guy up in the corner and try to poke the puck out" than a "Shea Weber hulk smash puck mine!" guy obviously.
All that said, he has been slumping badly over the last two months and has been so-so in the playoffs. He's had some uncharacteristically poor positional plays leading to goals as well. You need to look at the larger body of work though as I think the contract issues (all brought on by himself) have been a part of it.
He's a premier defenseman and I think, if he leaves, he's getting a solid 5 year / $7mm cap hit per type of deal. Maybe $7.5mm or $8.0mm just because teams are dying for #1 D guys.
I really hope Philly doesn't drop that much on Suter. My hope is that Detroit signs Suter and Weber tells Nashville he won't re-sign and Philly goes after Weber in a trade.
Ryan Suter and Shea Weber are great defensemen in their own right. I really don't think either one is going to get "exposed" if they are no longer paired together.
I would agree that they make each other look good at times, though. They complement each others' skill set so well. Ryan Suter's assist numbers are no doubt increased because he plays across from a great finisher with a bomb of a shot in Shea Weber....Shea Weber's point totals are no doubt helped because he has a talented puck handler working the other side of the point who is a great setup man.
I think they are definitely stronger together than they are apart...but a lot of that comes from their familiarity with the each other.
On to the question. Could Ryan Suter be worth $7+ million without Weber? Sure. On the right team. $7 million is a little high. I'd say $6-6.5 million. He's not going to be worth a lot if there's no one else on the team that can play defense, though. He's not going to put up the same point totals if he's placed on a team that is weak offensively. Will he help teams if he's put into those situations? Sure. But his stats will suffer and people will call him overrated, or at the very least, overpaid.
I'm still hoping he stays a Pred after these playoffs.
