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To Toronto: Ryan Kesler, 2012 2nd
To Vancouver: 2012 1st, Colborne, Franson
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To Anaheim: Ryan Kesler
To Vancouver: 2012 1st, Emerson Etem
Before anybody gets all in my grill about Kesler being traded and having no back up Center, I am COMPLETELY fine with running Schroeder as the #2 C next year. HOWEVER this means there has to be a further deal for a more elite winger than we already have (IE Nash), which is what I would like to happen down the road.
How close is it? I have been under the impression you guys are looking for a legit 2C. Would you rather take your chances with the draft? Or is the addition of Etem too much?
If I compare it to some recent transactions, it seems like both Carter and Richards got better returns. But every team is different and willing to give up different assets...
How close is it? I have been under the impression you guys are looking for a legit 2C. Would you rather take your chances with the draft? Or is the addition of Etem too much?
If I compare it to some recent transactions, it seems like both Carter and Richards got better returns. But every team is different and willing to give up different assets...
The value is more than fine, but I suspect it'd be a tough sell with the local boy angle that Etem has.
The value is more than fine, but I suspect it'd be a tough sell with the local boy angle that Etem has.
+1 on the local boy angle. And, it does leave Vancouver with an awfully big hole down the middle. Schroeder and the #1 (Galynchuck, perhaps), may not be ready.
How close is it? I have been under the impression you guys are looking for a legit 2C. Would you rather take your chances with the draft? Or is the addition of Etem too much?
If I compare it to some recent transactions, it seems like both Carter and Richards got better returns. But every team is different and willing to give up different assets...
The value is close, I'm just not a fan of giving up two grade A prospects
No thanks from leafs, would rather not watch swimming, I prefer just watching hockey.
I thought Leafs fans actually wanted to win? But with the way they shoot down every proposal, not willing to give anything up for a return, makes me think they're satisfied being the laughing stock of the league. Suit it yourself. You're team is not even close.
No thanks from leafs, would rather not watch swimming, I prefer just watching hockey.
I believe that one of the HUGE problems for us is that there is a disconnect between our coach and the players. AV does not get involved with the players and I believe the attitude of letting them do as they will is what can bring this sort of stuff on easier.
Now, if Vancouver gets a new coach, one that isn't afraid to be hard on his players because of that stupid crap, I wouldn't necessarily want Kesler gone. But I have a hard time believing that "swimming" would happen under a coach like Carlyle or Boudreau. Just because Kesler has acted like a tool for a bit does not mean he is not a great hockey player.
And as for Anaheim and Etem... TOTALLY looked over the fact that he is a local boy, which is great for your fan base. So I can understand the hesitation there.
BUT, Kesler would be an amazing addition to a core of Getzlaf/Ryan/Perry... That team would be an absolute force up front.
replace Etem with Kyle Palmieri and a 3rd/4th... Ducks do it. Palmieri is ready to play this coming year and they are pretty much equal in value. Ducks just won't part with the local product. Bad for business.
I thought Leafs fans actually wanted to win? But with the way they shoot down every proposal, not willing to give anything up for a return, makes me think they're satisfied being the laughing stock of the league. Suit it yourself. You're team is not even close.
Said that more to strike a nerve
In all seriousness, Kesler is good and of course would love him to be on the Leafs. However, I would rather keep our first and our chances with Galchenyuk as he is 9 years younger, so who knows how he will turn out (hopefully amazing). Also I don't want to have to read about Burke trading away yet another 1st rounder for months on end.
I thought Leafs fans actually wanted to win? But with the way they shoot down every proposal, not willing to give anything up for a return, makes me think they're satisfied being the laughing stock of the league. Suit it yourself. You're team is not even close.
What exactly has Kesler won?
Hes a #2 centre. Last year is looking more and more like an anomaly.
We dont need a #2 centre, particularly one whos embarrassing his team.
Hes a #2 centre. Last year is looking more and more like an anomaly.
We dont need a #2 centre, particularly one whos embarrassing his team.
You can read what I wrote a couple of responses above about the embarassments.
And I will counter your Kesler de-grading with this:
1) Kesler is a #1 center on the Leafs
2) Kesler's last year was not his only successful year
3) Kesler has had more points, goals, Selke's, International success, Playoff experience, Captaincy experience, AND IS ON A BETTER CONTRACT than your newly signed #2 C - Gabrovski
Just because he is behind Henrik mfing Sedin does not mean Kesler is a #2 C for life.
I thought Leafs fans actually wanted to win? But with the way they shoot down every proposal, not willing to give anything up for a return, makes me think they're satisfied being the laughing stock of the league. Suit it yourself. You're team is not even close.
Laughing stock of the league right now is a tie between Canucks and Penguins, get it right.
You can read what I wrote a couple of responses above about the embarassments.
And I will counter your Kesler de-grading with this:
1) Kesler is a #1 center on the Leafs
2) Kesler's last year was not his only successful year
3) Kesler has had more points, goals, Selke's, International success, Playoff experience, Captaincy experience, AND IS ON A BETTER CONTRACT than your newly signed #2 C - Gabrovski
Just because he is behind Henrik mfing Sedin does not mean Kesler is a #2 C for life.
I would agree with everything here except I do agree that his dives are embarrassing. Personally I would do this trade, but everyone is stuck on the "local boy" thing which I understand so switch Etem for Palmieri and deal.
If we were in a win now mode anaheim would be inclined to take it. However this only works out if Etem can be crafted into an effective NHLer or if that pick pans out. If we were looking to get back into the cup hunt, this works perfectly for Anaheim especially if Selanne and Koivu come back, Getzlaf and perry will be playing for new contracts.
Smith Pelly-Getzlaf-Perry
Ryan-Kesler-Palmieri
Cogliano-Koivu-Selanne
Beleskey-Bonino-McMillan
Issue is there is that local boy issue. Not only that but he's probably california's most electrifying young prospect in a long time. We've gone from being proud that kids from California pee-wees even being draft eligible to having a kid scoring 50 goals in 50 games at the WHL level. The last CHL player to do that went first overall in 09.
And now we've got kids every year McColgan, Etem, Kerdiles, Bennett, Grimaldi etc. Anaheim is very involved in the growth of Californian hockey. They run youth leagues, they started their own chain of rinks, they even founded an OC high school hockey league that is growing at a great rate.
Etem may not necessarily be a product of their involvement, but he is the embodiment. As far as prospects go Etem is untouchable as it gets.
I'd like to do something like
2012 1st
Mat Clark
Rights to Justin Schultz
Conditional pick in 2013 (if Schultz doesn't sign)
Obviously we'd have to add. But Etem is pretty much off limits.
I think its hilarious how everyone always trashes the Leaf every thread about not rebuilding, and trading their futures away for veterans. Then when Leaf fans turn down threads doing that exact thing its the same trashing that the team "doesn't want to win".
You can read what I wrote a couple of responses above about the embarassments.
And I will counter your Kesler de-grading with this:
1) Kesler is a #1 center on the Leafs
2) Kesler's last year was not his only successful year
3) Kesler has had more points, goals, Selke's, International success, Playoff experience, Captaincy experience, AND IS ON A BETTER CONTRACT than your newly signed #2 C - Gabrovski
Just because he is behind Henrik mfing Sedin does not mean Kesler is a #2 C for life.
Then keep him?
Why are you eager to get rid of him?
I'd rather spend the assets on a true number one C. If were targeting a 2c, I'd rather it be J. Staal
Why are we trading Kesler again, for unknown picks and prospects? The #1 need in the NHL is C depth, and we are going to trade one of the best 2nd line C's in the league because the team has had a bad playoff? Kesler is fresh off hip surgery, he and the organization have publicly stated that he came back too soon and wasn't totally healthy so yeah is was less effective then he was last season - but you're still talking about the current Selke trophy winner who was coming off a 41 goal season and now he's shipped out for a bunch of potential. Terrible idea and terrible proposals and terrible over-reaction to a poor TEAM performance in the playoffs. Kesler is an elite 2nd line C who is one of the better defensice C's in the league. He's also signed to a very reasonable contact for the next 4 seasons. He is making the same money as Plakanec and less then Grabovski - who would replace him in the Canucks line up? How much will we need to spend or give up to find a lesser replacement? Come on guys, this is a knee-jerk reaction thread and Canuck's fans who are on board with type of proposal should give their heads a shake.
I'd do it tbh. While Etem might be good eventually, and is a local boy. Getzlaf-Kesler gives us a solid one two punch down the middle, then factor in Koivu and Bonino as well, 4 good center options.
Why are we trading Kesler again, for unknown picks and prospects? The #1 need in the NHL is C depth, and we are going to trade one of the best 2nd line C's in the league because the team has had a bad playoff? Kesler is fresh off hip surgery, he and the organization have publicly stated that he came back too soon and wasn't totally healthy so yeah is was less effective then he was last season - but you're still talking about the current Selke trophy winner who was coming off a 41 goal season and now he's shipped out for a bunch of potential. Terrible idea and terrible proposals and terrible over-reaction to a poor TEAM performance in the playoffs. Kesler is an elite 2nd line C who is one of the better defensice C's in the league. He's also signed to a very reasonable contact for the next 4 seasons. He is making the same money as Plakanec and less then Grabovski - who would replace him in the Canucks line up? How much will we need to spend or give up to find a lesser replacement? Come on guys, this is a knee-jerk reaction thread and Canuck's fans who are on board with type of proposal should give their heads a shake.
Hodgson
At the time I must say that I thought the trade was alright, filled a need, but now it isn't looking so great, could use that extra offensive threat.
At the time I must say that I thought the trade was alright, filled a need, but now it isn't looking so great, could use that extra offensive threat.
I agree in hind-sight maybe that deal should have been made in the off-season, but I'd take Kesler over Hodgson any day, and Hodgson wanted out so management had their hands tied a bit.
