Again for the sake of speculation, IF it was Sid, what could we fairly get in exchange for him??
We already have Geno, Ovechkin is on the decline, and I'm not fully sold on RNH, Yak, etc. Those guys will presumably have OK careers, but IMO not on the elite level that Sid's been on always.
We'd get burned no matter what IMO. Talent like Sid's cannot be replaced.
What's also funny is that Gretzky said a few years ago in an interview that he was always curious about what that Edmonton team could have done if he didn't leave. He said with with a very regretful tone. I would like to know what the mindset of this current squad of players has. Staal will get vastly overpaid. Is he looking for the money, or is he looking to make history?
What's also funny is that Gretzky said a few years ago in an interview that he was always curious about what that Edmonton team could have done if he didn't leave. He said with with a very regretful tone. I would like to know what the mindset of this current squad of players has. Staal will get vastly overpaid. Is he looking for the money, or is he looking to make history?
You could add to that, is he looking to grow as a player, and does he want to be out of the shadow of the two best players in the game?
Again for the sake of speculation, IF it was Sid, what could we fairly get in exchange for him??
We already have Geno, Ovechkin is on the decline, and I'm not fully sold on RNH, Yak, etc. Those guys will presumably have OK careers, but IMO not on the elite level that Sid's been on always.
We'd get burned no matter what IMO. Talent like Sid's cannot be replaced.
First you have to find a team that:
a) has the kind of assets we want (skilled, physical forward and proven top 3 quality D)
b) has enough of them that they can pay out and not shoot themselves in the foot
c) is not an eastern team (given that even after re-alignment that would be a mistake)
d) has signed the key players involved to reasonable contracts
Let me know when you find one. The closest I can think of is St. Louis and it would have to happen after the playoffs which means trading for rights and not contract players in some cases. And no, Chris Stewart would not be a part of it but you can bet your ass Backes and Steen would be and some combination of Top 3 D and 1st round picks.
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Again for the sake of speculation, IF it was Sid, what could we fairly get in exchange for him??
We already have Geno, Ovechkin is on the decline, and I'm not fully sold on RNH, Yak, etc. Those guys will presumably have OK careers, but IMO not on the elite level that Sid's been on always.
We'd get burned no matter what IMO. Talent like Sid's cannot be replaced.
Agreed.
Can't even begin to imagine. Geno would be 1C, Staal 2C, Vitale 4C ... other parts would have to be moved ... Yeah ... No clue ... Paging KIRK ... KIRK?
Oh I know. I just figured since we're sitting around blowing speculative smoke out of our ***** anyways...why not.
One note: If you're not sold on RNH yet I don't know what to tell ya. Aside from puttin on weight and to keep getting experience I don't think there's much stopping him.
No doubt. And this is why I have been a proponent, going on 2 years now, of room being made for him in the top 6.
Yeah, it's either that or trade him. I don't think there really is any other option. This is the summer to make that decision too. I absolutely DO NOT want him to go into the season without a contract extension. If we lose Staal for nothing or less than what we could have got because we trade him before the draft for example, that is a major failure on Shero's part.
The defense certainly does need to be addressed this summer, but if Staal wants out, we'll need a capable top 6 talent to go in his place.
One note: If you're not sold on RNH yet I don't know what to tell ya. Aside from puttin on weight and to keep getting experience I don't think there's much stopping him.
To be fair, I've only seen him play a handful of times this year.
Still I'll peg him as a solid 80-85 point per year guy in a few years. Maybe 90?
To be fair, I've only seen him play a handful of times this year.
Still I'll peg him as a solid 80-85 point per year guy in a few years. Maybe 90?
The problem with all three of EDM's young stars is that they're undersized. They're already taking a good amount of abuse and getting injured more than I suspected they would. Skilled but possibly not very reliable in this division / whatever comes after it.
I'd much rather look at what STL or VAN has going for a trade. There are several guys on those teams (not talking about Backes or Sedins who are out of the question) who would fit in here really well and are proven guys (no not Stewart). Depends on who is being traded but I'd definitely be looking for a physical Top 4 D and a decent forward with good skills and a physical element to his game, and who is not injury-prone or smallish.
To be fair, I've only seen him play a handful of times this year.
Still I'll peg him as a solid 80-85 point per year guy in a few years. Maybe 90?
Maybe. How many guys hit 90 points every year though? Like 4 if they're all healthy.
As far as him being undersized, yeah he is at least for now and he's still kind of dominant for a pure rookie. Compare to Tavares and Stamkos when they were that old. He's for real if you ask me.
I'm not denying Madden's sources, but isn't this the same guy who said there would be a "blockbuster deal" at the deadline this season? Ray Shero did nothing.
Madden exaggerates all the time, that's what he's paid to do.
I see this team with a stacked top 6 and top two pivots in Sid and Staal, and I'm not sure we wouldn't be better off than losing Staal.
We'd have a significant hole to fill down the middle as well as offensively.
I would move Geno over Staal for a whole host of reasons.
1) cap hit. Look at the two & see the difference.
2) return on trade. Geno nets more, plus coming off an Art Ross & Hart Trophy, value never higher.
3) consistent play. Yes, Geno had a great year, but let's face it, he is erratic.
4) playing with Sid. For whatever reason, Malkin seems to slide when Sid is around. That never is the case with Staal & Sid.
I would move Geno over Staal for a whole host of reasons.
1) cap hit. Look at the two & see the difference.
Look at the production and see the difference. Couple that with Sid's concussion issues, and you NEED Malkin in case something happens to Sid.
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2) return on trade. Geno nets more, plus coming off an Art Ross & Hart Trophy, value never higher.
We'd be getting a bunch of parts, and none of them would be as good as Geno. That means we'd lose the trade. You don't trade away the best player in the NHL.
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3) consistent play. Yes, Geno had a great year, but let's face it, he is erratic.
And Staal isn't?
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4) playing with Sid. For whatever reason, Malkin seems to slide when Sid is around. That never is the case with Staal & Sid.
I would move Geno over Staal for a whole host of reasons.
1) cap hit. Look at the two & see the difference.
2) return on trade. Geno nets more, plus coming off an Art Ross & Hart Trophy, value never higher.
3) consistent play. Yes, Geno had a great year, but let's face it, he is erratic.
4) playing with Sid. For whatever reason, Malkin seems to slide when Sid is around. That never is the case with Staal & Sid.
I'll just ask you one question.....would you depend, year in, year out, on Staal to pick the slack up the way Malkin did this season, when Crosby is not in the lineup, considering his health issues??
BTW, multiple sources on Twitter saying Paul Martin is the only Penguin not on the ice for practice, with Kovacevic going as far as saying he's possibly benched for game 4.
I just heard Rob Rossi on Trib Live Radio say that the block buster move this summer could be Orpik or Letang - he said he's just throwing it out there.
How much do you want to bet that is what Madden comes on this afternoon and says.
It makes all the sense in the world that they would take a 2 time all-star defenseman and move him. Letang has not even hit his prime yet, as Shero just said recently in an interview. I know this playoff has been a monumental dissapointment and there needs to be changes, but some of the speculation doesn't even make sense.
BTW, multiple sources on Twitter saying Paul Martin is the only Penguin not on the ice for practice, with Kovacevic going as far as saying he's possibly benched for game 4.
Well i sure do hope so, he's been nothing short of a trainwreck.
I just heard Rob Rossi on Trib Live Radio say that the block buster move this summer could be Orpik or Letang - he said he's just throwing it out there.
How much do you want to bet that is what Madden comes on this afternoon and says.
It makes all the sense in the world that they would take a 2 time all-star defenseman and move him. Letang has not even hit his prime yet, as Shero just said recently in an interview. I know this playoff has been a monumental dissapointment and there needs to be changes, but some of the speculation doesn't even make sense.
BTW, multiple sources on Twitter saying Paul Martin is the only Penguin not on the ice for practice, with Kovacevic going as far as saying he's possibly benched for game 4.
