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April 20 update: JVR removed from LTIR, will play tonight (foot surgery, March 6)

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04-15-2012, 07:25 PM
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Saw the end of the game, and that hit Couturier took and left the ice. Is he ok?
Seemed to be. I am really more worried about Giroux, he was clearly dazed after the hit that ******* neal put on him.

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I don't know if this has been said, but who sits when/if JVR returns? Rinaldo would be my guess. Wellwood has been playing very well.

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I don't know if this has been said, but who sits when/if JVR returns? Rinaldo would be my guess. Wellwood has been playing very well.
Rinaldo has played all right, but I would sit him just for the reputation bias and the fact that he's a little too energized sometimes.

Wellwood has been great and should have every opportunity to stay in the line-up.

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04-17-2012, 07:41 AM
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I don't know if this has been said, but who sits when/if JVR returns? Rinaldo would be my guess. Wellwood has been playing very well.
ya, Rinaldo really hasn't had any positive impact on the series. Wellwood has been very good and he's very versatile. I think Wellwood definitely stays in the lineup. I'd guess that they'll hope to close out the series and give JVR some rest to start up the next series unless somehow this goes to 5 or 6 games....

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Tom Sestito and James van Riemsdyk are on the ice with the team as they were last Friday
JVR has to be extremely close to returning.

Oh and people asking who is out it is either rinaldo or Wellwood most likely. Lavy might keep Rinaldo in there just for his fore check and physical game.

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04-17-2012, 11:01 AM
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Also, drosennhl tweeted

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04-17-2012, 11:07 AM
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Going back and forth with Dave Isaac on twitter about Sestito (didnt see his injury thread)

he says (about Sestito coming back):

"He's close, I think. Been skating for awhile, but he told me he be available until second round" (verbatim)

Fingers crossed we make it to Round 2. Should we play, say Boston, we absolutely need Sestito.

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04-17-2012, 11:07 AM
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Hopefully we can close out the series tomorrow to give JVR a full week or so to practice and such

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I wouldn't sit Wellwood, he's been playing fantastically well and filling his role well. But I wouldn't 'rush' JvR back either.

Don't change a winning team.

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Hopefully we can close out the series tomorrow to give JVR a full week or so to practice and such
I'd prefer him get a game against the Pens. He hasn't played much this season and with this series very much in our control right now, I'd rather he make his debut in this series than in another one where he might not be back up to NHL speed yet.

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I'd prefer him get a game against the Pens. He hasn't played much this season and with this series very much in our control right now, I'd rather he make his debut in this series than in another one where he might not be back up to NHL speed yet.
So Cooke can target him? No thanks.

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04-17-2012, 11:23 AM
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So Cooke can target him? No thanks.
Eh, it's a foot injury. Targeting JVR would be no different than targeting any other player (unless you are suggesting he is going Bobby Clarke his foot). If Cooke is going to target someone on the Flyers, I doubt the guy who has been injured most of the year would be high on his list. If he wants to hurt the Flyers he would go after a guy with a lingering head issue or a guy who actually has made an impact this year. Not the guy with foot problems who missed half the year.

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I wouldn't sit Wellwood, he's been playing fantastically well and filling his role well. But I wouldn't 'rush' JvR back either.

Don't change a winning team.
Rinaldo will sit, no Wellwood

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Going back and forth with Dave Isaac on twitter about Sestito (didnt see his injury thread)

he says (about Sestito coming back):

"He's close, I think. Been skating for awhile, but he told me he be available until second round" (verbatim)

Fingers crossed we make it to Round 2. Should we play, say Boston, we absolutely need Sestito.
I don't quite get this. Why would Sestito be necessary to beat the Bruins? I doubt Laviolette has any intention of matching a line with Sestito on it against Lucic (and Krejci), if that is what's your concern. Sure, the Bruins have some other big guys, but we're not exactly tiny either. From what they've show this season, I'd rather have Wellwood or Rinaldo than Sestito.

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04-17-2012, 11:33 AM
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I don't quite get this. Why would Sestito be necessary to beat the Bruins? I doubt Laviolette has any intention of matching a line with Sestito on it against Lucic (and Krejci), if that is what's your concern. Sure, the Bruins have some other big guys, but we're not exactly tiny either. From what they've show this season, I'd rather have Wellwood or Rinaldo than Sestito.
Why not? The only effective game we really had against the Bruins (we lost) was with Sestito (the clean hit that concussed Horton). We need big guys to take the body against their team - they had like 50 hits last night against the Caps. We wont succeed in that sort of series without physicality and let's be honest, at this point, Sestito is less of a liability than Rinaldo.

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I'd prefer him get a game against the Pens. He hasn't played much this season and with this series very much in our control right now, I'd rather he make his debut in this series than in another one where he might not be back up to NHL speed yet.
Agree with this. Letting JVR play 6-8 minutes against Pittsburgh in Game 4 would be fine for me as part of his conditioning goes. Rinaldo has barely played... has taken penalties... I'm sure JVR could step out there without his best legs and still battle just as much as Rinaldo would. Getting him to 80+%, if we advance, would be nice and I still think he could even be a contributor in 6-8 minutes tomorrow night.

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Sestito has a reputation though as well. I don't know if we need him, we just need to keep doing what we're doing. I mean if it isn't broke, don't fix it... right?


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Why not? The only effective game we really had against the Bruins (we lost) was with Sestito (the clean hit that concussed Horton). We need big guys to take the body against their team - they had like 50 hits last night against the Caps. We wont succeed in that sort of series without physicality and let's be honest, at this point, Sestito is less of a liability than Rinaldo.
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Why not? The only effective game we really had against the Bruins (we lost) was with Sestito (the clean hit that concussed Horton). We need big guys to take the body against their team - they had like 50 hits last night against the Caps. We wont succeed in that sort of series without physicality and let's be honest, at this point, Sestito is less of a liability than Rinaldo.
We won the first game against them, then we lost 6-0 when we were really hit hard by injuries, and then they won two shootouts. The only game Sestito played against the Bruins he did fine, but I don't buy that the 8 or so minutes he'll play per game is a necessity if we are to beat the Bruins. I'd rather have the ability to roll four lines with Wellwood on the team (if JvR is back as well), or if we want some more energy, I'd go with Rinaldo. Sestito takes too many unnecessary penalties for my taste (and it's not like Rinaldo where reputation calls make up a fair amount of them), and Rinaldo is also a better player defensively, imo.

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We won the first game against them, then we lost 6-0 when we were really hit hard by injuries, and then they won two shootouts. The only game Sestito played against the Bruins he did fine, but I don't buy that the 8 or so minutes he'll play per game is a necessity if we are to beat the Bruins. I'd rather have the ability to roll four lines with Wellwood on the team (if JvR is back as well), or if we want some more energy, I'd go with Rinaldo. Sestito takes too many unnecessary penalties for my taste (and it's not like Rinaldo where reputation calls make up a fair amount of them), and Rinaldo is also a better player defensively, imo.
IMO there is no way to dominate the Bruins without beating them at their own game, which means hitting them first before they can hit you.

I gaurantee we don't stand a chance without a little more grit - the Pens, though unsuccessfully, have been trying to rough us up - they are much smaller and less physical than the Bruins. Simmonds, though helpful against the B's, will need share the front of the net with Hartnell for most of the game, we can't afford him in the box and the way Rinaldo has been getting called this series, he won't be able to run around and hit freely - I don't think Sestito is any sort of offensive contributor but i firmly believe we would need him against Boston...maybe not against any other team but def against the Bruins.

And, we won the first game during the SCF hangover - everyone was beating them.


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IMO there is no way to dominate the Bruins without beating them at their own game, which means hitting them first before they can hit you.

I gaurantee we don't stand a chance without a little more grit - the Pens, though unsuccessfully, have been trying to rough us up - they are much smaller and less physical than the Bruins. Simmonds, though helpful against the B's, will need share the front of the net with Hartnell for most of the game, we can't afford him in the box and the way Rinaldo has been getting called this series, he won't be able to run around and hit freely - I don't think Sestito is any sort of offensive contributor but i firmly believe we would need him against Boston...maybe not against any other team but def against the Bruins.

And, we won the first game during the SCF hangover - everyone was beating them.
I'm more for playing your own game and, when you consider your opponent, you are more concerned about their weaknesses and how to exploit them. That is, if the Bruins is a bigger and stronger team than us, the answer is not to try to outwrestle them, but to get the games played in other ways that suits us better.

I hope the Bruins will play like the Penguins have been doing the first three games (especially the third), then we'll beat them easily.

Anyway, I don't think it's completely out of the question that Sestito plays, I just don't buy the idea that he is essential for our chances to beat the Bruins.

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I don't think the way to beat Boston is mucking it up in the gutters. I'd much rather ice a big, fast and physical team. What you gain in Sestito being big, you lose in conditioning on top or already not having Rinaldo or Wellwood speed.

Adding JVR beefs up the wing size wise, and we've got Kubina, Grossman and Coburn on the back end with some size in addition to some other big forwards.

I find when this team trys to engage in the physical aspect of the game against Boston, the bruins control the play and the game. Play with speed and finish your hits. Boston can't hit what it can't catch.

With that being said, theres a game against the Pens tomorrow night.....

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I'd rather sit rinaldo than Wellwood. Let Jvr play 4th line minutes and try and get his game back.

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I'd rather sit rinaldo than Wellwood. Let Jvr play 4th line minutes and try and get his game back.
you can't expect a goal scorer to get his game back if you're going to put him on the 4th line. If you want JVR to find his game, you put him where he excelled the most before his injury and that's on a scoring line

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you can't expect a goal scorer to get his game back if you're going to put him on the 4th line. If you want JVR to find his game, you put him where he excelled the most before his injury and that's on a scoring line
For all intensive purposes the 4th line is Voracek-Read-Rinaldo they just double shift Giroux there at times.

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