That fight built up to a friggin fantastic playoff series.
Definitely the best first round series for a while. Those teams hated each other. Tucker taking out Peca's knee, Tucker jumping Jason Blake, Roberts boarding Kenny Jonsson, Roberts trying to pick fights with Czerkawski, the whole Cairns-Corson and Bates-Tucker battle, Tie Domi and Jim Cummins, I could just go on and on.
Domi wins hands down! What a homer announcer. Domi is the best pound for pound fighter in the history of the NHL. Miss watching him on the ice
Absolutely. 5'10" nasty SOB, and the guy could play the game/wasn't a goon-type player. The incident in the Flyers-Leafs playoffs series was pretty classic too
No, not really. Aurel Joliat was much tougher than Domi and was a first liner.
Taking nothing away from Joliat, but he played in the 20's and 30's...
I find it really hard ro believe you can so definitively tell us he was much tougher than Domi, or anyone else for that matter.
If you were 10 yrs old when you saw him fight, that would make you at least 90+ years of age, and my guess is you are not posting on here at that age.
More likely you have heard 2nd and 3rd hand stories about Joliat (at best). That is not a lot to go on, is it?
I really disliked Tie at times throughout his career, but I have a tonne of respect for him. He was an absolute warrior. Based upon the other tougher, smaller fighters I've seen, ranging from Jonathan to Rypien, Tie was by far the best. He fought the best of the best for a long long time amd traded shots with them to boot. No wrestling or trying to get position all fight. Tie was by far the best little guy I ever saw, and rightfully should be mentioned amongst the best of all time. In my opinion he is a legit name to mention in the top 20 of all time.
Taking nothing away from Joliat, but he played in the 20's and 30's...
I find it really hard ro believe you can so definitively tell us he was much tougher than Domi, or anyone else for that matter.
If you were 10 yrs old when you saw him fight, that would make you at least 90+ years of age, and my guess is you are not posting on here at that age.
More likely you have heard 2nd and 3rd hand stories about Joliat (at best). That is not a lot to go on, is it?
I really disliked Tie at times throughout his career, but I have a tonne of respect for him. He was an absolute warrior. Based upon the other tougher, smaller fighters I've seen, ranging from Jonathan to Rypien, Tie was by far the best. He fought the best of the best for a long long time amd traded shots with them to boot. No wrestling or trying to get position all fight. Tie was by far the best little guy I ever saw, and rightfully should be mentioned amongst the best of all time. In my opinion he is a legit name to mention in the top 20 of all time.
Your argument is flawed. You are basically saying that we shouldn't trust second and third hand stories about Domi 80 years. Domi was tough but Joliat battled guys like Shore and Cleghorn.
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Despite six shoulder separations, three broken ribs, and routine injuries such as five nose fractures, Aurel went on to score 270 goals, tying Morenz on the all-time list. He was also an outstanding checker, capable of stopping an opponent and then quickly starting a rush of his own.
"Well, I guess I was tough enough," Aurel said in later years. "You had to be to survive. But I wasn't the toughest. That mule-headed son-of-a-***** Eddie Shore was the meanest, toughest player I ever met. I was rushin' up the ice at the Forum one night when my lights went out. Shore hit me with a check that almost killed me. I was what? 130 pounds at the time and he must have been 190. He dislocated my shoulder and they carried me off in a lot of pain. Then I look around and Shore is leading a fancy rush. Forget the sore shoulder. I leaped over the boards and intercepted the big bugger. Hit him with a flyin' tackle. Hit him so hard he was out cold on the ice. He had it comin' I'd say . . ."
If someone is saying Joilat is the best pound for pounder in history, Id say its pretty much a lock that is not a 2nd hand story...likely a 4th or 5th hand story at best.
For the record, yes, I put little to no weight on 2nd or 3rd hand accounts unless I know who the source of those accounts are.
I have read articles proclaiming Mark Messier, Gordie Howe, Larry Robinson and others as not only great fighters, but guys who may have been the best ever. Complete bullcrap. Great fighters for good players I agree with. Great fighters compared to guys who did it full time for a living: not a chance. Messier would have been in the same class of fighter as a Kelly Buchberger. Yet, I believe The Hockey News had him in the top 3 of all time.
So yes, I like to consider the source of all info I am expected to take as fact.
I have no problem believing Joliat was tough as nails, but when someone posts that:
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"No, not really. Aurel Joliat was much tougher than Domi and was a first liner."
I sense this is someone who has no problem stretching the truth to make a point. There is no one that was much tougher than Domi pound for pound. To make such an assertion tells me this person is willing to stretch the truth to get people to see things as he does...
To me that means this person is not a credible source of info.
Brings back memories. That Leafs/Isles first round series back in...what was it, 2001? 2002? Was absolutely freaking epic. It had the most bone-jarring hits per game that I can recall in a series of late.
If someone is saying Joilat is the best pound for pounder in history, Id say its pretty much a lock that is not a 2nd hand story...likely a 4th or 5th hand story at best.
For the record, yes, I put little to no weight on 2nd or 3rd hand accounts unless I know who the source of those accounts are.
I have read articles proclaiming Mark Messier, Gordie Howe, Larry Robinson and others as not only great fighters, but guys who may have been the best ever. Complete bullcrap. Great fighters for good players I agree with. Great fighters compared to guys who did it full time for a living: not a chance. Messier would have been in the same class of fighter as a Kelly Buchberger. Yet, I believe The Hockey News had him in the top 3 of all time.
So yes, I like to consider the source of all info I am expected to take as fact.
I have no problem believing Joliat was tough as nails, but when someone posts that:
I sense this is someone who has no problem stretching the truth to make a point. There is no one that was much tougher than Domi pound for pound. To make such an assertion tells me this person is willing to stretch the truth to get people to see things as he does...
To me that means this person is not a credible source of info.
You do know that Larry Robinson had no problem punching the lights out of "the hammer". Seriously, you obviously have no clue at all about the history of hockey. Why are you even arguing?
Howe rarely had to fight because nobody wanted to go with him. Every once in a while he will take on some cocky idiot and leave them bloody and destroyed on the ice.
Pound for pound? Yes, Domi was about 215 pounds and were up against 225-235s. I'm unimpressed.
You are a conventional wisdom guy...the type that if a story is repeated often enough, it must be true.
Yes Robinson beat Schultz. I have seen the fight, and read many different accounts of it (there was a big subject on the matter at hockeyfights.com).
I would suggest I know more about Gordie Howe's fistic prowess than you do. However I dont just go by popular accounts written by writers who often thought the person who got the takedown won the fight.
How did the great Gordie Howe (who I absolutely love as a player) respond when repeatedly challenged by Fernie Flaman? A guy like Flaman, and many other lesser known players would have beat Howe more often than not. But that doesnt make for an impressive a story as writing something totally ignorant such as "not only was Messier one of the greatest ever players, he could be devasting when provoked to fight...many people consider him to be the best fighter of all time..."
Pure hyperbole. No one that knows hockey fighting would consider Messier, Howe, Robinson, or even Dave Schultz to be amongst the elite fighters of all time. Schultz was a good fighter, but a great goon. I would suggest that out of 100 people posting their all time top 10 or 20 lists on hf.com, Schultz's name would come up much less than 10% of the time.
Here's a second hand account (by an old timer old enough to have read it by himself in the NY Times):
He (Flaman) didn't like talking about the fighting it was just something he had to do. And you also got to see Ferny (I think you used this description before) ragdoll Howe tearing the jersey off his back as Gordie stayed behind the refs. I think you said Howe came into the boards elbows high and didn't know it was Flaman behind him and Ferny lost it. Might be my favorite story. I think the New York Times quote was some thing like "Flaman challenged Howe to a fight throwing a couple punches and tearing the jersey off Howes back and Gordie wanted no part of him"
