This one has really got to me, this is a joke to say the least.
Where is the consistency? Smith milked everything out of a little contact.
How does Shaw get 3 games but Weber only gets a tiny fine when he rammed the head of Zetterberg into the glass?
How does Shaw get 3 games when Carkner (key point: repeat offender) only got one game for his attack on Boyle?
How does Shaw get 3 games when Lucic gets nothing for taking out Miller? (key point: Lucic did not make an effort to avoid contact either)
Is it a surprise to anyone that the Coyotes who are owned by the NHL, might be getting a little help in their play off run? It'll make it easier to sell them on...
I don't like the suspension length, but Shaw definitely could have gotten out of the way. Did Smith sell it? Absolutely, but that doesn't factor into Shanahan's decision. I'm not all that angry though. It sucks that he chooses one of our players to make an example out of, but hey. It has to be done.
Now, if Neal and Asham don't both get 8+ game suspensions, then Shanahan can go suck a dick.
Unbelievable. Shanahan has no consistency or credibility. Head slams only merit a fine.
We'll see what kind of punishment if any his office 'arbitrarily' issues when it comes to any head contact against Blackhawks players, incidental or not, from here on out.
Good to know all the Blackhawks will be skating with impunity from any head contact by the opposing players from now on.
I'm having a hard time understanding how Shaw's offense is equal to Hagelin's. Hagelin elbowed Alfie in the face and gave him a concussion. Did Smith miss any game action due to Shaw's hit? No. Is a shoulder worse than an elbow? No. Was there embellishment? Abso-****ing-lutely. Was Shaw a repeat offender? No. I want to know what the hell Shanny has been smoking. That's horrible. Shaw and Hagelin's offenses were not equal. Also, after seeing Weber get a $2,500 fine (big deal) and Carkner get one game for his mugging (let off way easy), I thought for sure Shaw would only get a fine or a one-game suspension. I guess I was wrong. I should also point out I believe Shaw is not out of this clean. He probably could have softened the blow and have made a much better effort to get out of Smith's way. A fine on top of him getting thrown out of the game would have been acceptable in my book.
Shanahan is showing his absolute incompetence in the latter parts of this season. Two rookies with absolutely zero history of..well anything, both apart of accidental run-ins that turned out not so great, both getting 3 game suspensions..as opposed to a veteran like Weber who has been in the league for 7 seasons now who blatantly slammed another player's head against the glass twice gets fined for what his gloves are lined with. And as opposed to players like Carkner who are repeat offenders for what would be called assault off the ice, who gets 1 game.
Really hope the league and everyone straightens their **** out soon otherwise this sport is going to be unbearable to watch between idiotic refs and even more idiotic suspensions.
Shanahan is showing his absolute incompetence in the latter parts of this season. Two rookies with absolutely zero history of..well anything, both apart of accidental run-ins that turned out not so great, both getting 3 game suspensions..as opposed to a veteran like Weber who has been in the league for 7 seasons now who blatantly slammed another player's head against the glass twice gets fined for what his gloves are lined with. And as opposed to players like Carkner who are repeat offenders for what would be called assault off the ice, who gets 1 game.
Really hope the league and everyone straightens their **** out soon otherwise this sport is going to be unbearable to watch between idiotic refs and even more idiotic suspensions.
Hagelin's was bad. I don't know how each of the hits are deemed equal due to how they each got three-game suspensions.
Here's what I think was worse:
Hagelin/Shaw
Elbow > Shoulder
Injury (concussion) > No injury
No embellishment > Embellishment
Forward < Goaltender
No history = No history
I'm having a hard time understanding how Shaw's offense is equal to Hagelin's. Hagelin elbowed Alfie in the face and gave him a concussion. Did Smith miss any game action due to Shaw's hit? No. Is a shoulder worse than an elbow? No. Was there embellishment? Abso-****ing-lutely. Was Shaw a repeat offender? No. I want to know what the hell Shanny has been smoking. That's horrible. Shaw and Hagelin's offenses were not equal. Also, after seeing Weber get a $2,500 fine (big deal) and Carkner get one game for his mugging (let off way easy), I thought for sure Shaw would only get a fine or a one-game suspension. I guess I was wrong. I should also point out I believe Shaw is not out of this clean. He probably could have softened the blow and have made a much better effort to get out of Smith's way. A fine on top of him getting thrown out of the game would have been acceptable in my book.
Hagelin was going in to finish his check and while yes, he should have just kept his arms down from the get-go, Alfredsson's head isn't the intended target of Hagelin's hit - he was going for Alfredsson's shoulder/arm and Hagelin ends up only clipping his shoulder and getting Alfredsson's head. Hagelin hasn't even played a full season of NHL hockey yet on top of being a rookie..not to mention he talks about how Alfredsson has been his hero since he was little, so I don't quite think Hagelin was trying to end his childhood hero's career on purpose. Not to mention that Ottawa no doubt caught wind of Shanahan saying "Well I'll consider reducing Hagelin's suspension depending on if Alfredsson plays tonight [in game 3]" and kept him out of the line up to justify the suspension to everyone. Funny thing is Phillips "accidentally" hit Callahan in the head in the same game, but apparently that didn't matter and was deemed strictly "accidental."
Shaw hit: Supplemental Discipline - 3 game suspension
Hagelin hit: Supplemental Discipline - 3 game suspension
Weber incident: Supplemental Discipline - $2500 fine
You look at the two rookies. Shaw and Carl Hagelin. Their hits are nowhere near the same magnitude of each other. Hagelin intentionally targeted Alfredsson high, way late. He made no attempt to avoid him. As a result, Alfredsson suffered a concussion on the play.
Shaw, however, was moving up the ice to take the puck away from Smith, with no malicious intent to hit him. You can see as he takes the sharp turn he overskates it. His hips sway the other direction in an attempt to clear the way. His head and shoulders make incidental contact with Smith's chin.
Both are rookies with no prior history. Both are now viewed as repeat offenders by the league. But Shaw is not deserving of that. Hagelin is.
The Weber incident is just worthy. That's barely a slap on the wrist by the NHL. If Shaw gets suspended three games for that, Weber should've been gone four.
Ugh the overhead video on the main board (Post 904 is that bit topic, second page in the new one) just shows how disgusting the place is. Shaw wouldn't have even made contact with Smith if Smith doesn't drop his head when he's firing the puck around the boards. What a bad bad suspension. Still should be a penalty but wow, ridiculous.
why are these decisions (suspensions) not made by a 3 person committee? I simply do not understand how 1 single individual is allowed to rule on such important factors especially during playoff time. There should be 2 other voters on this panel (both names should be known and their votes should be made public) that could over rule this idiot and his insane suspensions/non suspensions
Hagelin was going in to finish his check and while yes, he should have just kept his arms down from the get-go, Alfredsson's head isn't the intended target of Hagelin's hit - he was going for Alfredsson's shoulder/arm and Hagelin ends up only clipping his shoulder and getting Alfredsson's head. Hagelin hasn't even played a full season of NHL hockey yet on top of being a rookie..not to mention he talks about how Alfredsson has been his hero since he was little, so I don't quite think Hagelin was trying to end his childhood hero's career on purpose. Not to mention that Ottawa no doubt caught wind of Shanahan saying "Well I'll consider reducing Hagelin's suspension depending on if Alfredsson plays tonight [in game 3]" and kept him out of the line up to justify the suspension to everyone. Funny thing is Phillips "accidentally" hit Callahan in the head in the same game, but apparently that didn't matter and was deemed strictly "accidental."
Alright, no one gives a **** whether or not Carl admired Alfie growing up. What people care about, and most importantly, Shanny, is that he recklessly elbowed a player in the head.
Also, the Shanny plan to increase suspensions with injury is kind of *********. What if their awful, awful backup was starting for instance since Smith needed a night off? It's a hypothetical scenario. If Toews elbowed LaBarbera like that, couldn't Phoenix just say LaBarbera was more hurt than he was in an attempt to hold out Toews out of the series longer or even completely? If Smith was hurt, Shaw would have been suspended for the whole series. It's about the ****ing intent. It's a hard concept for that Detroit homer.
also, how hilarious would it be if VEGAS starts putting odds on Shanahan's suspension rulings???
I mean seriously, they can have odds on over/under of games for each suspension! I think this would be huge, in the millions even as he is so all over the board with suspensions that anyone could beat on this and be lucky and win! it is pathetic but I could see this happening.
Shaw hit: Supplemental Discipline - 3 game suspension
Hagelin hit: Supplemental Discipline - 3 game suspension
Weber incident: Supplemental Discipline - $2500 fine
You look at the two rookies. Shaw and Carl Hagelin. Their hits are nowhere near the same magnitude of each other. Hagelin intentionally targeted Alfredsson high, way late. He made no attempt to avoid him. As a result, Alfredsson suffered a concussion on the play.
Shaw, however, was moving up the ice to take the puck away from Smith, with no malicious intent to hit him. You can see as he takes the sharp turn he overskates it. His hips sway the other direction in an attempt to clear the way. His head and shoulders make incidental contact with Smith's chin.
Both are rookies with no prior history. Both are now viewed as repeat offenders by the league. But Shaw is not deserving of that. Hagelin is.
The Weber incident is just worthy. That's barely a slap on the wrist by the NHL. If Shaw gets suspended three games for that, Weber should've been gone four.
Flame away.
100 percent agreed.
I mentioned all these incidents in this thread before this post with the video proof. $2,500 out of Weber's enormous paycheck will really show him! Carkner really got a dose of reality getting one game for his mugging. I went over before why Hagelin's was worse than Shaw's. Shanny is a dumbass.
Alright, no one gives a **** whether or not Carl admired Alfie growing up. What people care about, and most importantly, Shanny, is that he recklessly elbowed a player in the head.
Also, the Shanny plan to increase suspensions with injury is kind of *********. What if their awful, awful backup was starting for instance since Smith needed a night off. It's a hypothetical scenario. If Toews elbowed LaBarbera like that, couldn't Phoenix just say LaBarbera was more hurt than he was in an attempt to hold out Toews out of the series longer or even completely? If Smith was hurt, Shaw would have been suspended for the whole series. It's about the ****ing intent. It's a hard concept for that Detroit homer.
I have a huge issue with injury dictating suspension length. Let's pretend that Keith's elbow doesn't injure Sedin. Let's say he doesn't get concussed and he returns later that game.
$2500 fine ala Weber? Doesn't make sense to me.
Term and injury are two variables that should be kept separate.
I really hope this fires up the team and they just humiliate these clowns tonight. A blowout that makes the Yotes lose their desire to show up for game 4.
I also find it ironic that when a player crashes the net and plows the goalie he doesnt really ever get suspended....ever.
Just because a player has the puck or is trying to get a lose puck, but ends up smashing over the goalie, how is that deemed more appropriate and not worthy of intent or a suspension?
If anything I consider that worse as they are usually going much faster then Shaw was, but they are using the "going for the puck" as an excuse!
Apparently you are not fair game when a goalie leaves the crease, but when you are still in the crease it is okay to plow them and not get suspended???? interesting indeed.
I have a huge issue with injury dictating suspension length. Let's pretend that Keith's elbow doesn't injure Sedin. Let's say he doesn't get concussed and he returns later that game.
$2500 fine ala Weber? Doesn't make sense to me.
Term and injury are two variables that should be kept separate.
No kidding. Next thing you know, we'll have teams that can dictate how long a player is suspended. If Smith was an AHL callup, they could have said he was hurt and held out Shaw longer. Since Smith is of value to their hopes of advancing in the playoffs, they won't sit him whether or not he's hurt.
Not to mention that Ottawa no doubt caught wind of Shanahan saying "Well I'll consider reducing Hagelin's suspension depending on if Alfredsson plays tonight [in game 3]" and kept him out of the line up to justify the suspension to everyone.
That might be the single dumbest thing I've ever read here. Yeah, I'm sure Ottawa decided to keep its captain out of the game just so they can justify the suspension to Hagelin.
You can also tell that the NHL is getting about as anal with goaltenders as the NFL is with quarterbacks. That Toews GI call was laughable to put it nicely.
worthy. That's barely a slap on the wrist by the NHL. If Shaw gets suspended three games for that, Weber should've been gone four.
