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04-20-2012, 11:46 AM
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very true

Heres an example of Kaberle lead PP's

2012 - Montreal ranked 28th
2011 - Boston ranked 20th
2010 - Toronto ranked 30th
2009 - Toronto ranked 16th
2008 - Toronto ranked 15th
2007 - Toronto ranked 16th
2006 - Toronto ranked 2nd
2005 - Toronto ranked 4th

So its been a long 6 years since a Kaberle lead PP was truly lethal. Its either been average or downright brutal. The last 3 years fall under the down right brutal.
I'm no Kaberle boy-lover, but this is utterly absurd.

Played for non-playoffs team for five of these six years, and that one year where he went to the Cup, he joined the team with ~20 games left in the year.

Wow.

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very true

Heres an example of Kaberle lead PP's

2012 - Montreal ranked 28th
2011 - Boston ranked 20th
2010 - Toronto ranked 30th
2009 - Toronto ranked 16th
2008 - Toronto ranked 15th
2007 - Toronto ranked 16th
2006 - Toronto ranked 2nd
2005 - Toronto ranked 4th

So its been a long 6 years since a Kaberle lead PP was truly lethal. Its either been average or downright brutal. The last 3 years fall under the down right brutal.
Sigh.

Here's how many PP pts Kaberle got each year and his rank amongst NHL defensemen:

2011-12 16 pts (17th) in 72 games played
2010-11 Playoffs 5 pts (3rd)
2010-11 25 pts (9th)
2009-10 25 pts (8th)
2008-09 19 pts (31st) in ony 57 games played
2007-08 30 pts (8th)
2006-07 30 pts (16th) in 74 games played
2005-06 51 pts (1st)

Clearly this guy sucks on the power play

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Kaberle is so good he's apparently singlehandedly responsible for a team's power play performance, including for the second unit he's not on, and for the games a team plays before they trade for him.

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Kaberle is so good he's apparently singlehandedly responsible for a team's power play performance, including for the second unit he's not on, and for the games a team plays before they trade for him.
oh no. he IS the 2nd unit, just him, alone.

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04-20-2012, 02:05 PM
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Sigh.

Here's how many PP pts Kaberle got each year and his rank amongst NHL defensemen:

2011-12 16 pts (17th) in 72 games played
2010-11 Playoffs 5 pts (3rd)
2010-11 25 pts (9th)
2009-10 25 pts (8th)
2008-09 19 pts (31st) in ony 57 games played
2007-08 30 pts (8th)
2006-07 30 pts (16th) in 74 games played
2005-06 51 pts (1st)

Clearly this guy sucks on the power play
No where was it said he sucked on the PP however it also shows he isnt some magical PP QB either. He consistently runs an average PP meanwhile offering nothing 5 on 5 or shorthanded.

If he is so great on the PP, some savior that some of you seem to be portraying, i would sure hope i could get more than a middle of the rank PP out of him. Also this whole played for a bad team is a weak excuse in my opinion. Basically every team has enough players to make a 5 man unit that can succeed on the PP.

If kaberle is the main PPQB that some are again believing, he becomes the main fault of it as well. So with Toronto, Boston, Carolina and Montreal, different coaches, players, and systems, Kaberle, the main man on the PP, the one constant thru all these variables has an average PP.

Its not that he is bad on the PP, he is simply nothing special. This isnt helpful when there is nothing else beneficial to his game.

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No where was it said he sucked on the PP however it also shows he isnt some magical PP QB either. He consistently runs an average PP meanwhile offering nothing 5 on 5 or shorthanded.

If he is so great on the PP, some savior that some of you seem to be portraying, i would sure hope i could get more than a middle of the rank PP out of him. Also this whole played for a bad team is a weak excuse in my opinion. Basically every team has enough players to make a 5 man unit that can succeed on the PP.

If kaberle is the main PPQB that some are again believing, he becomes the main fault of it as well. So with Toronto, Boston, Carolina and Montreal, different coaches, players, and systems, Kaberle, the main man on the PP, the one constant thru all these variables has an average PP.

Its not that he is bad on the PP, he is simply nothing special. This isnt helpful when there is nothing else beneficial to his game.
The success or failue of a PP is not entirely related to a point man. The 4 main ingredients to most PP's is a good point passer, a good point shooter, a strong halfboards presence and a well designed scheme. The fact that Kaberle has put up good PP points despite not being on dominant PP's tells me that he is doing his part(or more) but is not getting enough help.

5 on 5 he has always been above average. Very good puck mover and hockey sense both with and without the puck. like Markov he isn't a mauler but good at reading plays and using body positionning to break up plays. Lidstrom has been a good defensive player his whoile career and he doesn't intimidate or put anybody through the boards.

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