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04-21-2012, 11:09 AM
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Teams in cap trouble?

Which teams are in cap trouble, assuming the cap is going to around 63 million. A team that have lot's of important rfa's to sign and players at other positions.

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Leafs have 56.7m tied up in 17 players for next year and they have to get a veteran/#1 goalie (1.5m-3m), sign RFA's Frattin (1.5m-2.5m), Franson (1.5m-2m) and Kulimen (2.5m-3m) while getting a couple more 3rd/4th liners (hopefully resigning Crabb(1m-2m))

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Leafs came to my mind first. And Burke is really under pressure to improve.

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Washington also has 18 mil space and Green, Carlson, Perreault and Beagle become RFAs and Semin, Vokoun (likely give up), and Wideman coming UFAs.

Philly also doesn't have a lot of space and Holmgren in control.. But with Pronger on IR list they will probably ok until next year.

Pens might have some problems if they can't move Martin.

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the islanders might have trouble reaching the floor because no one wants to sign here

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Leafs have 56.7m tied up in 17 players for next year and they have to get a veteran/#1 goalie (1.5m-3m), sign RFA's Frattin (1.5m-2.5m), Franson (1.5m-2m) and Kulimen (2.5m-3m) while getting a couple more 3rd/4th liners (hopefully resigning Crabb(1m-2m))
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Leafs came to my mind first. And Burke is really under pressure to improve.
Lombardi to the AHL, buyout Armstrong 5.5M saved.
Clarke MacArthur could probably be moved too if we had too.

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The Flames have quite a bit of space coming open in the off-season (like 14 million?) but they'll have to spend a lot of it re-upping Moss, Backlund, Jokinen, and maybe more with Sarich/Hannan on D. Considering the free agent market this offseason, I don't see how they get out of keeping at least the forwards mentioned, and that's probably 7-8 million there.
What they do with the rest will put them back up to the cap, one year older at a lot of their skill positions.

Maybe that's not the kind of trouble you meant, but I'm worried about things in Calgary.

Not meant to start a war - I've long said it sucks for us (Nucks) when the Flames aren't good. It's just not as fun.

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Lombardi to the AHL, buyout Armstrong 5.5M saved.
Clarke MacArthur could probably be moved too if we had too.
What I also didn't mention in that list though was room for improvement. Resigning the people I listed puts them basically to the cap. If Burke then does put Lombardi in the AHL and buyouts Armstrong, that leaves room for 1 more player, but that isn't enough room to get Suter or Parise. Nash is still out there, more contracts have to be moved if he comes to Toronto. Leafs are at the cap with the same team that played this past season that ended up in 5th last. Hurray...

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Leafs have 56.7m tied up in 17 players for next year and they have to get a veteran/#1 goalie (1.5m-3m), sign RFA's Frattin (1.5m-2.5m), Franson (1.5m-2m) and Kulimen (2.5m-3m) while getting a couple more 3rd/4th liners (hopefully resigning Crabb(1m-2m))
Leafs are fine because they can bury most of LACK in the minors

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What I also didn't mention in that list though was room for improvement. Resigning the people I listed puts them basically to the cap. If Burke then does put Lombardi in the AHL and buyouts Armstrong, that leaves room for 1 more player, but that isn't enough room to get Suter or Parise. Nash is still out there, more contracts have to be moved if he comes to Toronto. Leafs are at the cap with the same team that played this past season that ended up in 5th last. Hurray...
The two move I listed were the basic almost automatic stuff. Other things can be done to create space as well.
Clarke MacArthur could be traded of waived if needed 3.25M. Connolly could be demoted if needed 4.7M. The bonus cushion will very likely return next season as well 1-3M depending on what ELC players make the roster.

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the islanders might have trouble reaching the floor because no one wants to sign here
I'll sign for league minimum with unreachable bonuses and keep Nino company on the bench if that'll help ya'.

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Leafs can and will make moves (trades, buyout, demotion) if need be. Im not concerned, espeically with the lackluster free agent crop this summer.

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the islanders might have trouble reaching the floor because no one wants to sign here
Want Long Island native native Mike Komisarik???

4.5 cap 3.5 in real dollars for 2 more years.

Yea I know, nobody wants Komi!

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Leafs can and will make moves (trades, buyout, demotion) if need be. Im not concerned, espeically with the lackluster free agent crop this summer.
Yea the Leafs are one of the few teams that have no problem burring money in the minors or buying out under performing players.

Unlike most teams out internal budget is much higher than the cap.

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Yea the Leafs are one of the few teams that have no problem burring money in the minors or buying out under performing players.

Unlike most teams out internal budget is much higher than the cap.
Unless the new CBA puts the kabash on that.

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Yea the Leafs are one of the few teams that have no problem burring money in the minors or buying out under performing players.

Unlike most teams out internal budget is much higher than the cap.
TSN had a discussion a few months ago (maybe around the trade deadline) and said essentially the Burke and Sather are the only two GMs in the league which have carte blanche to do what they want in terms of buyouts and demotions. They have not yet come close to a limit on what they are able to do.

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Assuming that nothing dramatic changes in the new CBA, the Leafs have no worries cap wise. Lombardi, Connolly and Armstrong all are movable via trade, waivers, etc which is over 10mil right there.

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Unless the new CBA puts the kabash on that.
Leafs will have made their moves for this season by the time the current CBA expires.

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Unless the new CBA puts the kabash on that.
If it does, it'll be with a provision for teams to buy those players out without a cap penalty (amnesty clause from the last CBA). Teams like NYR, Montreal and Toronto make more than enough money to make that a viable and preferable option.

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Unless the new CBA puts the kabash on that.
It could but I doubt it. I really don't see it as a hot button issue.

The teams that do it can afford to and they dont want it stopped. The owners pay the same amount of money out no matter what (55% right now) so I don't think they really care how it is divided up.
I doubt the PA really cares about it either. I think the calls to have it stopped are mostly media driven and that wont have much impact on CBA talks.

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No way the Leafs buy out Armstrong or any other players. Darcy Tucker's $1 million buy-out is still an albatross around their necks for 2 more seasons. Burke won't make that type of mistake.

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Unless the new CBA puts the kabash on that.
I've always been confused at how the CBA can stop it. I think all buried contracts in the minors are because the players are now being outplayed, and therefore put in the minors where you put the players who are not good enough to be on the NHL team. Speaking from leafs POV Finger was terrible and still is terrible in the minors. Komi and Armstrong constantly sit in the press box because they are outplayer, I don't see why because they have larger contracts they wouldn't be allowed to be sent down. Only contract that I can think of that may have been sent down for salary purposes is Redden on NYR? Unless I am forgetting something obvious...Souray was sent down as well but I don't think that was for cap purposes? I could be wrong on that.

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Lombardi to the AHL, buyout Armstrong 5.5M saved.
Clarke MacArthur could probably be moved too if we had too.
Komisarek anyone?...

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Leafs will have made their moves for this season by the time the current CBA expires.
Next season (whenever it starts) will be played under the new CBA. You can't bury anybody in the minors now for next season.

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If it does, it'll be with a provision for teams to buy those players out without a cap penalty (amnesty clause from the last CBA). Teams like NYR, Montreal and Toronto make more than enough money to make that a viable and preferable option.
Every rumor out there says no it won't. And teams who can't afford to do that will likely fight hard not to let the rich teams do that. It is far from a sure thing.

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Komisarek anyone?...
I pray that his cap hit being higher than his real salary interests his home town Islanders.

Yes I know that is highly unlikely and the fans here will say no but they would have said no to Rolston before Snow traded for him too.

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