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Tinordi just assisted on Harrington's goal with under a minute to play.

And seriously... if you think Tinordi is terrible positionally and isn't used much on the London PK, you quite simply have not watched the London Knights this season... not at all.

I don't know what games you are watching but they aren't the London Knights if you don't see Tinordi playing their PK regularly. It'd be like saying Josh Gorges doesn't play on the Habs PK regularly.
Exactly.

Ive watched him 5 times this season and everytime ive come away impressed with how improved he is over last season. Hes been very good this season.

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I'm glad to hear that he's got good offensive instincts, coupled with his good skating that means that he might have some offensive potential after all.

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He is terrible positionaly and doesn`t get used on the PP or much on the PK I watch him all season he really is not that good. Not sure how many times I have to say it before people actualy realise he isn`t as good as many want to believe he is.
Actually my comment of him being on the PP was in jest to how many shorties they gave up thus needing more of a defensive presence.

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He is terrible positionaly and doesn`t get used on the PP or much on the PK I watch him all season he really is not that good. Not sure how many times I have to say it before people actualy realise he isn`t as good as many want to believe he is.
WoW You have obviously no idea what you are talking about, Tinordi was a beast tonight, his positionning was quite fine and I thought he was actually decent offensively showing some surprising instinct.. As for the PK, you are certainly in the left field, he was the one used on the 5 on 3 and spent alot of time playing on the PK.. Tinordi sure looks like a very solid prospect right now, he improved hugely from last year.. I can see now why we traded up for this kid, will be an intimidating presence in our def zone sooner than later and Im pretty sure the kid can drop the gloves at times when really needed..

He looks very nice with the "C" on his jersey.. this kid will bring alot of intangibles to our team..

On another note, Murphy really looks like a poor man Karlsson, very nice puckmoving skills, great skater and very nice offensive awareness.. the prob.. he is defensively very flawed, not physical and on the very small side..


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Tinordi just assisted on Harrington's goal with under a minute to play.

And seriously... if you think Tinordi is terrible positionally and isn't used much on the London PK, you quite simply have not watched the London Knights this season... not at all.

I don't know what games you are watching but they aren't the London Knights if you don't see Tinordi playing their PK regularly. It'd be like saying Josh Gorges doesn't play on the Habs PK regularly.

Tinordi doesn't play London PK regularly is one of the dumbest comments Ive ever seen on any message board ever. Tinordi and Harrington are the Knights two most used PK defencemen.
Season ticket holder thank very much and he is not utalized like we use JG. He gets insulated well and really is not positionally sound. Not sure how many games you have watched but I assure you if you were at as many games as I have been to you would see it.

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Season ticket holder thank very much and he is not utalized like we use JG. He gets insulated well and really is not positionally sound. Not sure how many games you have watched but I assure you if you were at as many games as I have been to you would see it.
You are a Knights season ticket holder and you said Tinordi isn't used much on the PK?

You really should pay more attention.

Also who is JG? There is no player on the Knights roster with the initials JG... which explains a lot here.
http://www.londonknights.com/roster/list

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You are a Knights season ticket holder and you said Tinordi isn't used much on the PK?

You really should pay more attention.
Believe me I do he is our prospect unfortunatly. I do not see anything close to what most around here seem to think we are getting with him people need to take the HABS coloured glasses off and not see every one of our prospects as gold like Gallagher I do not see him being more than a 3rd liner at best and Beauli a bottom 4 d man.

Mind you on our team I wouldn`t be surprised to see them play top line and top pairing mins with how screwed up our team is.

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You are a Knights season ticket holder and you said Tinordi isn't used much on the PK?

You really should pay more attention.

Also who is JG? There is no player on the Knights roster with the initials JG... which explains a lot here.
He is referring to Josh Gorges.

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He is referring to Josh Gorges.
Ok, that makes more sense.

Still Tinordi is the Knights 1st or 2nd most used dman on the PK, hard to say because the OHL doesn't keep TOI stats... I think this is the only Knights fan who would say he "isn't used much on the PK."

I've probably seen 10 games or more of theirs this year and talked to a bunch of people from London, "not used on the PK" is something that has never been said... in fact quite the opposite.

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Believe me I do he is our prospect unfortunatly. I do not see anything close to what most around here seem to think we are getting with him people need to take the HABS coloured glasses off and not see every one of our prospects as gold like Gallagher I do not see him being more than a 3rd liner at best and Beauli a bottom 4 d man
You seem harsh here. There is people outside this board, fans of other teams, that say Gallagher is projected as a 2nd liner and has enough talent to be a first liner if the stars align properly.

Bottom 4 defenseman is very vague statement. It can be the difference between Hamhuis and Rome.

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Dryden also wouldn't want Lidstrom and Malkin on his team simply because of where they are born.

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You seem harsh here. There is people outside this board, fans of other teams, that say Gallagher is projected as a 2nd liner and has enough talent to be a first liner if the stars align properly.

Bottom 4 defenseman is very vague statement. It can be the difference between Hamhuis and Rome.
I would say more a Rome I don`t mind the way DH plays honestly. I have never been high on Gallagher now addmittedly I have not seem much of him outside the WJHC so that is a very small sample size but I guess if some on here can say Tinordi is a beast because I have seen 5 Knights games this season then I guess my comments on Gallagher are just as pertinent and valid.

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Believe me I do he is our prospect unfortunatly. I do not see anything close to what most around here seem to think we are getting with him people need to take the HABS coloured glasses off and not see every one of our prospects as gold like Gallagher I do not see him being more than a 3rd liner at best and Beauli a bottom 4 d man.

Mind you on our team I wouldn`t be surprised to see them play top line and top pairing mins with how screwed up our team is.
Well I'm going to go ahead and trust my own judgement over yours, as well as many other peoples, over yours. No offense, it's not just because you're negative, but from what I've seen with my own eyes, I don't agree at all.

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I would say more a Rome I don`t mind the way DH plays honestly. I have never been high on Gallagher now addmittedly I have not seem much of him outside the WJHC so that is a very small sample size but I guess if some on here can say Tinordi is a beast because I have seen 5 Knights games this season then I guess my comments on Gallagher are just as pertinent and valid.
He's not a 1st pairing guy in the NHL. I think he can be a good 2-way d-man with a physical side to his game playing 16-18 minutes a night.

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I would say more a Rome I don`t mind the way DH plays honestly. I have never been high on Gallagher now addmittedly I have not seem much of him outside the WJHC so that is a very small sample size but I guess if some on here can say Tinordi is a beast because I have seen 5 Knights games this season then I guess my comments on Gallagher are just as pertinent and valid.
You must be one of those people who thought Paciorettys ceiling was a third liner, or Subban a pp specialist.

For the record, I see Tinordi as a #4-5 dman. Sort of a Gill with more mobility, more offensively and physically involved. Id be shocked if he ever became as good on the PK but who knows.

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You must be one of those people who thought Paciorettys ceiling was a third liner, or Subban a pp specialist.

For the record, I see Tinordi as a #4-5 dman. Sort of a Gill with more mobility, more offensively and physically involved. Id be shocked if he ever became as good on the PK but who knows.
To be honest I never really paid much attention to paches or PK didn`t follow PK in JR and not at all when he played in Hamilton so I have no comment on that.

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To quote Jean Chretien - don't be a negative nelly! Seriously, what the bleep do some of you guys know about hockey to give some of these opinions. You should be on sports radio. He doesn't do this right, he doesn't do that right. He's 6 freakin 7, 240-260lbs of meanness on the back end. Have the Canadiens ever had a guy this big, who can skate this fast with a cannon from the point. Did any of you professional scouts ever see his dad play? He was a 4-5 but one of the main reasons Minnesota made it to the finals. Unless they draft Bobby Orr, some of you guys will never be happy. He was a solid pick, a top 4 easily. With Subban, Gorges, Tinordi, Beaulieu, Ellis and maybe a Dietz, Didier etc... we'll have a solid back end. I'd worry more about up front where we haven't been as wise in our drafting.

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He is terrible positionaly and doesn`t get used on the PP or much on the PK I watch him all season he really is not that good. Not sure how many times I have to say it before people actualy realise he isn`t as good as many want to believe he is.
wich london knights are you watching buddy

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For all the positives....Tinordi needs to be better with his stickwork. Not always at the right place at the right time. And clearly, while he can skate...he needs better foot speed. In small and restrained areas, he gets a little too often outwit. He's a work in progress. For whoever loves to think he'll make it right from camp....I don't think so. But hey, we never know.

As far as the rest and especially for the upcoming draftees, well I had this opinion for a long time now....Athanasiou is on my ND list. Will always do good in junior based on his pure talents. But this kid has way too many things to do to become a hockey player. I like Maatta....I really do. Still have a couple of other D's in front of him but this kid should not be there when we pick at 33. If he's there for some odd and stupid reasons...he's a no-brainer....but he won't be. I always like Tierney. Stupid penalty there, but here's a kid who improved a lot since the start of the season and that's what you like to see in a player. Not that big of a fan of Iafrate, while Faksa is clearly not playing his best game right now. But it should not make him a 2nd rounder for that reason. Won a nice battle at the end of the period with Tinordi.

On other notes....Tobias Rieder will be a fine player for the Oilers.....talented and pretty intelligent with and without the puck. I'll stand with what I keep saying even in his draft year.....you can invite Seth Griffith as much as you want, at best this guy will develop into a fine AHL'er....but I'd be real surprised if he ever reach the NHL.

And i don't care what you guys think since he allowed 4 goals already....I'd love to sign Houser. He's been better than what you're seeing tonight.
Will Tinordi play in the NHL?

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You must be one of those people who thought Paciorettys ceiling was a third liner, or Subban a pp specialist.

For the record, I see Tinordi as a #4-5 dman. Sort of a Gill with more mobility, more offensively and physically involved. Id be shocked if he ever became as good on the PK but who knows.
You are right, Tinordi is likely going to be a #4 defensemen with good leadership qualities. There is nothing wrong with that. Josh Gorges is nothing more than a #4 defense man and he is a fan favorite. I see Tinordi's upside as Gorges but nastier. Never going to put up more than 30 points but will contribute the odd time.

Tinordi is the kind of D that we need and that teams need to win the cup. Be happy that we have him...or would some of you guys rather have another undersized offensive d man with a cannon that can't hit the net while being a liability in their own end? Tinordi will be a good one but will likely need 3 to 5 years before he puts it all together.

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wich london knights are you watching buddy
The ones right here in my fair city of London you know the ones you don't get to see in Montreal or seldome see in Montreal. So before making a comment like that try watching more than 2 or 3 games of their and just following what others around here say when they also do not get to see them all that often.


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You seem harsh here. There is people outside this board, fans of other teams, that say Gallagher is projected as a 2nd liner and has enough talent to be a first liner if the stars align properly.
The problem is... what most people seem to overlook when making these kinds of statements... or maybe what is just implicitly understood... is that every team in the league has a collection of such prospects, and only really a very few actually live up to those "projections".

I'm optimistic/hopeful about Gallagher based on the reports of his character and tenacity, etc. Most especially because of the way he performed in training camp this year. Before that, I was not very optimistic. He strikes me as the kind of guy like a Gerbe or Gionta who will Overcome. But I would not in the least blame an outside/neutral observer for not being swayed by that, because even most of the guys with similar character/tenacity traits in their Gallagher-sized package ultimately fail to make it. The perspective on just how rare the Giontas are is perhaps lacking. Or just implicitly understood, again.
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Bottom 4 defenseman is very vague statement. It can be the difference between Hamhuis and Rome.
And as for Tinordi... I saw him more last year and not much this year. I think he's the 3rd best defenseman on his (very good) junior team. He was the best on Team USA at the WJC. He does have some issues at times with decision-making and his speed/skating are sometimes overrated (i.e. people forget to add the necessary "for his size" caveats on all the skating praise). He also needs to learn to fight better if that's going to be part of his game as a pro. But anyway, all of this is a huge progression from the guy who last year looked merely like a marginal OHL player.

And again... Ryan O'Byrne was a great skater (for his size), and even more impressive to me on a good Cornell team than Tinordi has been in London, more of an impact player in his senior year, anyway. But nothing approaching a Mike Komisarek, say. So again... great signs of progress from Tinordi this year, and there's no harm in being optimistic and hopeful, especially now that he has taken these major strides forward in development. But if the risk factors aren't implicit... well... let's not forget that the end result for most of these prospects does indeed fall well short of where our peak hopes and optimism usually has us. Tinordi is right now in that peak spotlight of sheer optimism for us. No harm in that really, it's also part of the prospect-following package for us as fans.

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OByrne as a senior at Cornell was two years older than Tinordi today. Apples and oranges.

Better comparison is OB as a sophomore

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OByrne as a senior at Cornell was two years older than Tinordi today. Apples and oranges.

Better comparison is OB as a sophomore
No, it's the right comparison. Because they are senior at their level, relative to the age of all the other players around them. Tinordi is in his "senior" year in the OHL right now.

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No, it's the right comparison. Because they are senior at their level, relative to the age of all the other players around them. Tinordi is in his "senior" year in the OHL right now.
A 22 year old is going to be different than a 19/20 year old. 2 years of development, two years experience, two years of coaching, 2 offseasons of power skating, 2 years of work in the weight room.

Also this is Tinordis 2nd year in the OHL. You're talking about O'Byrne's 4th year of NCAA thats a huge experience difference.

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