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04-23-2012, 11:25 AM
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Suter Green (only its cheaper than this year)
Carlson Alzner
Hammer Spacek

But as you know, I have never been a fan of green. I am down with trading him

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Suter has been top 30 in the league in even strength assists among dmen for three of the past four years (including a top 6 finish) despite playing in a horrible offense.

Obviously theres the crowd who doesn't think he's realistic, but I do. And his transition ability is underrated.

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04-23-2012, 11:32 AM
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Yeah. If rather that than 4 puck movers... And maybe Hamrlik if you consider him one.

I'm someone who thinks there should only be 2-3 puck movers on D, along with 3-4 solid defensive defenseman.
You want to know the best way to get pinned in the defensive zone? Have a defense that can't move the puck.

Carlson and Orlov as the only puck movers is a terrible idea. Hamrlik's not a puck mover.

And do you want to know how pathetic the puck mover UFA market is? After Suter, Wideman might the best there is. Kuba, Corvo, and Carle are pretty much the only others available.

Now, a trade that might make sense is something around Green for Streit or Enstrom. I could get behind either one of those.

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Suter has been top 30 in the league in even strength assists among dmen for three of the past four years (including a top 6 finish) despite playing in a horrible offense.

Obviously theres the crowd who doesn't think he's realistic, but I do. And his transition ability is underrated.
4th in GF in the West = Horrible?

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Suter has been top 30 in the league in even strength assists among dmen for three of the past four years (including a top 6 finish) despite playing in a horrible offense.

Obviously theres the crowd who doesn't think he's realistic, but I do. And his transition ability is underrated.
Unrealistic because it's unlikely George goes after him.

I don't think there's anyone on here who wouldn't if they were GM.

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4th in GF in the West = Horrible?
Am I talking about one data point or a range?

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Suter isn't happening.

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04-23-2012, 11:53 AM
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He can be replaced be Carlson and Orlov.

Trade him before his value hits 0. I'm sure he can still garner a valuable asset right now.
He's not the same Mike Green.
Just take a look at the Capitals entry into the offensive zone on PPs. Unless Backstrom or Green is carrying the puck the team usually has difficulties and instead of possession they try to dump and chase it.

MAJO's is the third good puck mover on PPs but he's not in the same company with Backstrom and Green just yet.

Caps need to keep Green but I do see Orlov eventually becoming the other good puck handler. Sorry but I don't see Carlson becoming the puck handler that Mike Green is or that Orlov will be.

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Suter isn't happening.
Agree, I don't see that as a possibility for this team. That's why would like to see the Caps pry Fedor Tyutin away from Columbus and pair him with Orlov. Next season could look something like:

Alzner - Carlson
Tyutin - Orlov
Hamrlik - Green

Erskine

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i expect mcphee to go after suter if he is on the ufa market. i think he stays in nashville, but if he doesnt then i expect mcphee to take a shot. that and signing him are two different things.

it will be interesting to see what he signs for and to see how many here would have gone bigger in order to get him.

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I was saying trade Wideman from before the deadline and got blasted for it and now you all are on board with getting rid of him. Bench Wideman and put in Orlov. He will bring a great physical presence.

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I was saying trade Wideman from before the deadline and got blasted for it and now you all are on board with getting rid of him. Bench Wideman and put in Orlov. He will bring a great physical presence.
No chance. You don't throw in a rookie into his first playoff taste in a game 7, vs the defending champs, on their home ice. That is a recipe for disaster.

We'll deal with Wideman in the offseason. For now we should all support him and hope he is a better player than what he has shown to be so far in this series.

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I was saying trade Wideman from before the deadline and got blasted for it and now you all are on board with getting rid of him. Bench Wideman and put in Orlov. He will bring a great physical presence.
I have been saying trade him since I joined this board.

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No chance. You don't throw in a rookie into his first playoff taste in a game 7, vs the defending champs, on their home ice. That is a recipe for disaster.

We'll deal with Wideman in the offseason. For now we should all support him and hope he is a better player than what he has shown to be so far in this series.
A "leave the gun take the cannolis" moment for sure.

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No chance. You don't throw in a rookie into his first playoff taste in a game 7, vs the defending champs, on their home ice. That is a recipe for disaster.

We'll deal with Wideman in the offseason. For now we should all support him and hope he is a better player than what he has shown to be so far in this series.
Alzner's first playoff game was a game 7. And as I recall, he played very well.

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You beat me to it with Alzner.

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Alzner's first playoff game was a game 7. And as I recall, he played very well.
Yeah right, was at that game against the Canadiens. The Mike Knuble "ghost call" for interfering with Halak.

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Alzner's first playoff game was a game 7. And as I recall, he played very well.
Yeah but he was FORCED in due to an injury to Poti. This is a situation where there are better options.

Yes Wideman has sucked. But he's still a vet and has the poise/confidence to make up for it this game. It would not shock me at all for him to come up big and show us the "good" parts of his game that he has displayed before.

Orlov is greener than Alzner was that year in terms of NA exposure. Don't force feed your youth. Orlov isn't ready...just like he wasn't ready for his shootout attempt. He will be too excited in my mind.

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I was saying trade Wideman from before the deadline and got blasted for it and now you all are on board with getting rid of him. Bench Wideman and put in Orlov. He will bring a great physical presence.
orlov is not playing because hunter doesnt want a rookie in the lineup. he also doesnt want his defense stepping out of position to make a play. that includes stepping up for a hit.

clearly if hunter wanted wideman to play minutes like he did in game 6, there was no chance he was going to be traded for a draft pick

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Why is everyone so gung-ho for Suter? Why not make a run at Shea Weber? I'd prefer him because he'd bring some MUCH NEEDED snarl to our blueline.

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Whats wrong with Statsny?
Overpaid and not particularly good even when you factor all of his defensive and hockey IQ intangibles. I'm not convinced he'd be better than Plekanec even at the same pricetag let alone for 1.6 mil more.

If he's really cheap I'd be for it, but since he's a "#1 center" he wouldn't be cheap.

Just look at how Richards is working out NYR. Stastny would be worse of us IMO.

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Why is everyone so gung-ho for Suter? Why not make a run at Shea Weber? I'd prefer him because he'd bring some MUCH NEEDED snarl to our blueline.
One's a UFA, one's not. Also, it could be argued that Suter's the better fit and the better all-around defenseman.

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Why is everyone so gung-ho for Suter? Why not make a run at Shea Weber? I'd prefer him because he'd bring some MUCH NEEDED snarl to our blueline.
Because Suter is better defensively and is a UFA. Weber's an RFA.

Also lefty-righty is a consideration for some, I imagine.

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there is a difference between alzner being put in the lineup for a game 7 where montreal was playing rope a dope and the puck was in their end 75% of the game and orlov going in when the caps are playing rope a dope and the puck is in their end all the time.

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He can be replaced be Carlson and Orlov.

Trade him before his value hits 0. I'm sure he can still garner a valuable asset right now.
He's not the same Mike Green.
You are like a fountain of misconceptions about hockey

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