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04-23-2012, 12:29 PM
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Bobby Ryan is the player I'd want most and the player who would earn his paycheck most nights. He'd be a great fit with Richards and with Gaborik at 100% it would be a very comparable scenario to Neal and Eriksson.

Parise is going to be overpaid and will probably not put up the numbers everyone will expect. It has horrible FA signing written all over it. Pass.

I can't see Columbus suddenly giving Nash up for a reasonable proposal, especially after losing the draft lottery. If they did however I see Nash being the second best bet to Bobby Ryan in terms of putting up the numbers. His contract still sucks, but he would be good for at least 30-30 playing with Richards and Gaborik. It's almost reasonable, but the situation is unrealistic regarding acquiring him.

I can't see guys like Morrow or Doan even being moved, but I would be willing to give Morrow a look if it didn't take much to get him.

Edit: I like the idea of giving Edmonton a ring and see what they are selling. I so wish they could trade for Eberle or the 1st overall. I think RNH, Hall, and Eberle are as close to untouchable as it gets. The first will cost one of McD, DZ, Girardi or Staal.
Girardi is the most moveable and would give us a nice return. Hall would be easier to acquire than Eberle. Eberle probably is their best player. But either would cost us substantially. Girardi would just be the start.

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04-23-2012, 12:33 PM
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Can we afford a Parise when we have guys like Callahan and Lundqvist who will be FAs soon?

I say maybe trade for a David Jones or a Ryan Clowe.
Clowe is something we probably would end up with realistically. Jones, he is a right wing isn't all that great in a two way game.

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04-23-2012, 12:34 PM
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Can we afford a Parise when we have guys like Callahan and Lundqvist who will be FAs soon?

I say maybe trade for a David Jones or a Ryan Clowe.
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FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.500m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Carl Hagelin ($0.875m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Artem Anisimov ($1.875m) / Mats Zuccarello ($0.950m)
Mike Rupp ($1.500m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Brandon Prust ($1.200m)
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Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Michael Sauer ($1.250m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.200m) / Tim Erixon ($1.750m)
Stu Bickel ($0.700m) /

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CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $3,141,666

It would not be all that difficult if the Rangers moved Dubinsky.

Also, I don't believe Anisimov will be around for too much longer. I could see a young player taking his spot and him getting dealt to help replenish the system.

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04-23-2012, 12:37 PM
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I would propose 3 options to the Oilers and let them pick one.


Staal:Erixon:Kreider : Eberle & Yakupov

Staal: Del Zotto:2012 1st : Eberle

Del Zotto:Miller:Thomas:Erixon : Yakupov & 2012 3rd pick

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04-23-2012, 12:38 PM
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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
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FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.500m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Carl Hagelin ($0.875m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Artem Anisimov ($1.875m) / Mats Zuccarello ($0.950m)
Mike Rupp ($1.500m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Brandon Prust ($1.200m)
Spare Forward ($1.000m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Michael Sauer ($1.250m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.200m) / Tim Erixon ($1.750m)
Stu Bickel ($0.700m) /

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Martin Biron ($0.875m)

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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,158,334; BONUSES: $2,100,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $3,141,666

It would not be all that difficult if the Rangers moved Dubinsky.

Also, I don't believe Anisimov will be around for too much longer. I could see a young player taking his spot and him getting dealt to help replenish the system.
I agree with you that Ani and Dubi are goners. Ani is going to be a good player, but he isn't physical enough in our system. JT Miller makes him irrelevant. Miller can play center/wing.

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04-23-2012, 12:39 PM
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Parise would be such a mistake. Sure the guy is a more talented Ryan Callahan and he works his ass off but we don't need and "dirty" goal type of player. We need someone who can not only create scoring chances by themselves but can create wonderful chances for his teammates. While I see Parise's playmaking getting better, he's a guy that scored a majority of his goals around the net. We have guys that grind for goals. We need a game breaker for that price.

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04-23-2012, 12:45 PM
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Parise would be such a mistake. Sure the guy is a more talented Ryan Callahan and he works his ass off but we don't need and "dirty" goal type of player. We need someone who can not only create scoring chances by themselves but can create wonderful chances for his teammates. While I see Parise's playmaking getting better, he's a guy that scored a majority of his goals around the net. We have guys that grind for goals. We need a game breaker for that price.
Well we certainly need a guy who is willing to dig for pucks on our first line and race for rebounds. But for his price tag wouldn't a Ryan Clowe pretty much do the same?

The point I am making is that isn't Zach Parise overkill for his price tag.

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Clowe is a great (and at least semi-realistic) target in my opinion.

He would add snarl and can really snipe. He had a down year for sure which is a bit concerning. Not a "game changer" like Nash or Ryan but I don't see us getting them. It all depends on where San Jose lands on the "blow it up" scale. Also Couture and Burns' extensions kick in next year.

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Clowe is a great (and at least semi-realistic) target in my opinion.

He would add snarl and can really snipe. He had a down year for sure which is a bit concerning. Not a "game changer" like Nash or Ryan but I don't see us getting them. It all depends on where San Jose lands on the "blow it up" scale. Also Couture and Burns' extensions kick in next year.
Yeah he essentially replaces Dubi but can be used on our first line. Krieder/Hagelin will move into the second line left wing.

The only problem I see is that doesn't Clowe play with Thorton and other big linemates? How is he going to look with physically weaker forwards were he is going to be expected to win board battles by himself.

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I'm definitely not on the Parise bandwagon. This team is always filling their holes with free agents, but the problem is you rarely get a free agent that fills a hole without some sacrifices. Bobby Ryan would be great, but we've missed that window -- if the window ever really existed at all, that is. Truth be told, I don't know who is out there that would be available.

We could use a big shot on the PP, but I don't think it has to be a RHD on the point. Kaberle/McCabe was one of the best PP threats in recent memory, and they were both lefties. Fact of the matter is it's easier for a lefty to set up another lefty for a one-timer at the point. Erixon could potentially fill that role.

What we really need is a guy like Alex Semin who doesn't have his head up his ass. A right-handed sniper who can carry the puck out of his own end and through the neutral zone, as well as play the puck possession game, all on his off-wing.

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I'm definitely not on the Parise bandwagon. This team is always filling their holes with free agents, but the problem is you rarely get a free agent that fills a hole without some sacrifices. Bobby Ryan would be great, but we've missed that window -- if the window ever really existed at all, that is. Truth be told, I don't know who is out there that would be available.

We could use a big shot on the PP, but I don't think it has to be a RHD on the point. Kaberle/McCabe was one of the best PP threats in recent memory, and they were both lefties. Fact of the matter is it's easier for a lefty to set up another lefty for a one-timer at the point. Erixon could potentially fill that role.

What we really need is a guy like Alex Semin who doesn't have his head up his ass. A right-handed sniper who can carry the puck out of his own end and through the neutral zone, as well as play the puck possession game, all on his off-wing.
Semin would be a disaster here. Doesn't fit our system at all. He would be in Torts doghouse in a week.

I agree with you they need to address that triggerman on the PP. IMO, that is the #1 priority this offseason.

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I would propose 3 options to the Oilers and let them pick one.


Staal:Erixon:Kreider : Eberle & Yakupov

Staal: Del Zotto:2012 1st : Eberle

Del Zotto:Miller:Thomas:Erixon : Yakupov & 2012 3rd pick
Kreider and Miller are definitely not going anywhere. I'd be stunned. Doubt we trade Staal also.

If anyone here is going, I think it's Del Zotto.

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Go for Pavelski or Bobby Ryan.
If they get Pavelski that probably means Stepan is going to be moved.

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Semin would be a disaster here. Doesn't fit our system at all. He would be in Torts doghouse in a week.

I agree with you they need to address that triggerman on the PP. IMO, that is the #1 priority this offseason.
Which is why I said a guy like Semin.

However, he's been damn good this series against Boston. He's one guy who really looks like he's buying into what Hunter is putting down.

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Kreider and Miller are definitely not going anywhere. I'd be stunned. Doubt we trade Staal also.

If anyone here is going, I think it's Del Zotto.
Del Zotto is not going to get it done for any of those guys.

Now Girardi, Del Zoto, stepan, thomas and two draft picks might do the trick.

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Parise would be such a mistake. Sure the guy is a more talented Ryan Callahan and he works his ass off but we don't need and "dirty" goal type of player. We need someone who can not only create scoring chances by themselves but can create wonderful chances for his teammates. While I see Parise's playmaking getting better, he's a guy that scored a majority of his goals around the net. We have guys that grind for goals. We need a game breaker for that price.
Parise may not snipe goals like Kovalchuk or Gaborik but his hockey sense is through the roof. He makes his teammates better and he is tenacious, something this team bases their entire style of play on.

Parise in this system > Gaborik in this type of system and Gaborik has turned out to be a pretty good signing.

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Del Zotto is not going to get it done for any of those guys.

Now Girardi, Del Zoto, stepan, thomas and two draft picks might do the trick.
Do we really need Yakupov? As good as he is, I'm not trading the entire future away.

We were always known as the big splash in the free agency. We actually have a future with incredible prospects coming up (and some already up). Let's not get rid of it.

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Kreider and Miller are definitely not going anywhere. I'd be stunned. Doubt we trade Staal also.

If anyone here is going, I think it's Del Zotto.
Why would we trade one of our two d-men who doesn't handle the puck like it's a live grenade?

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Which is why I said a guy like Semin.

However, he's been damn good this series against Boston. He's one guy who really looks like he's buying into what Hunter is putting down.
Yeah but Hunter isn't implementing a grinding forechecking system. Semin would be awful in that system.

He looks more defensively responsible with Hunters "trap and transition" strategy against the Bruins. But he is going to be expected to play physical here and block shots. Its not going to happen.

Now if you want to argue that our system isn't flexible and we should try to play more of a puck possession game. I would agree with you. But as long as Torts is coach, this will continue.

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Do we really need Yakupov? As good as he is, I'm not trading the entire future away.

We were always known as the big splash in the free agency. We actually have a future with incredible prospects coming up (and some already up). Let's not get rid of it.
I'm not talking about Yakupov, I'm talking a Taylor Hall.

Girardi could be replaced with someone like Suter.

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Why would we trade one of our two d-men who doesn't handle the puck like it's a live grenade?
Why are we considering trading any of them in the first place?

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I'm not talking about Yakupov, I'm talking a Taylor Hall.
You really think Edmonton would give him up?

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You really think Edmonton would give him up?
With enough defensive assets, possibly. It would be a monster trade though.

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With enough defensive assets, possibly. It would be a monster trade though.
You're completely ignoring my point that they have no reason to trade Hall. His talent is only going to continue to grow and he is already the face of the franchise. They can trade one of their lesser pieces to get a decent d-man. I repeat it makes absolutely no sense in any realm of reality.

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