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LD Griffin Reinhart - Edmonton Oil Kings, WHL (2012, 4th overall, New York Islanders)

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04-23-2012, 12:27 PM
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Tavares is a much better skater, but he's not an elite skater.

You can improve your skating, and become better at it... but if you want to be the equivalent of a Murray or a Dumba, you've either got that natural talent or you don't. Tavares or Reinhart will never replicate their high end speed.
Is Chris Pronger an elite skater?

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04-23-2012, 12:45 PM
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For a low-end comparison, it's ok.
You seriously think Coburn is a low-end comparison for Reinhart? The way drafts go, I'd honestly say that should be his expected potential. And that's a damn good d-man that is worth every bit of a top 10 pick.

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04-23-2012, 12:49 PM
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A little bit of Coburn, a little bit of Brent Burns is what I see in Reinhart. The way Tyler Myers has developed the physical side of his game makes me believe Reinhart will have no trouble doing so as well.

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04-23-2012, 02:00 PM
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You seriously think Coburn is a low-end comparison for Reinhart? The way drafts go, I'd honestly say that should be his expected potential. And that's a damn good d-man that is worth every bit of a top 10 pick.
Not a terribly huge Coburn fan, I guess. I expect Reinhart to have more offensive ability.

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04-23-2012, 05:35 PM
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Not sure why you are making such a big deal out of his skating. He's a fine skater, especially for someone his size. It's not like it needs to be on a Dumba, Rielly or Murray level just for him to become a solid NHL defender.
I wasn't arguing that he wouldn't make the NHL.

I was merely saying, that his skating will keep him a level below those guys, and he isn't the 2nd best prospect from the WHL IMO.

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04-23-2012, 05:37 PM
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Is Chris Pronger an elite skater?
So we're comparing Reinhart to a sure-fire Hall of Fame defender who is absolutely feared and one of the most punishing (and borderline dirty) players in the NHL?

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04-23-2012, 05:40 PM
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I wasn't arguing that he wouldn't make the NHL.

I was merely saying, that his skating will keep him a level below those guys, and he isn't the 2nd best prospect from the WHL IMO.
Who is, in your opinion?

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04-23-2012, 06:03 PM
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Who is, in your opinion?
I'd go Murray 1st; Dumba 2nd. Not sure if I'd go Rielly or Reinhart next, havent seen enough of Rielly.


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04-23-2012, 06:31 PM
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So we're comparing Reinhart to a sure-fire Hall of Fame defender who is absolutely feared and one of the most punishing (and borderline dirty) players in the NHL?
You are disregarding him because he is not an elite skater.

So is Chris Pronger less or more valuable than Scott Niedermayer?

Reinhart has attributes that the other guys dont have and likely never will have. He will be a very good dman in the nhl. Im fairly sure of that. Elite skater or not.


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04-23-2012, 07:16 PM
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To me, Murray is just as "smart" defensively so yeah the skating has me put Murphy ahead.

Dumba is much more dynamic than Reinhart.

I'm sure he'll be a fine NHLer, just don't think he's as good as those two.

Its not a knock on him to say he's behind those two...

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To me, Murray is just as "smart" defensively so yeah the skating has me put Murphy ahead.

Dumba is much more dynamic than Reinhart.

I'm sure he'll be a fine NHLer, just don't think he's as good as those two.

Its not a knock on him to say he's behind those two...
I havent seen enough of Murray. If I go by what I have seen he is behind both Reinhart and Dumba.

I would put Dumba ahead of Reinhart, and I like both players a lot.

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I hope Reinhart gets all the time he needs to develop like NYI did with Hamonic.

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06-22-2012, 09:05 PM
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Is all of this talk about questionable intensity legit? I find it hard to believe he'd go as high as he did if there was doubt in pro scout's eyes.


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06-22-2012, 09:08 PM
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When I first saw him play almost two years ago I said he was going top 5.. Even today I didn't expect him to go that high but its a great pick for NYI. Sam Reinhart will be next to get drafted

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For how wrong I was about everything else in this draft, I'm happy I was right about Reinhart going 4th.

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06-22-2012, 09:51 PM
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Is all of this talk about questionable intensity legit? I find it hard to believe he'd go as high as he did if there was doubt in pro scout's eyes.
It was in the regular season but he kicked it up a couple notches in the playoffs. He's 6'4 and 210lbs at 18 years old. In the CHL he looks like a beast out there. Everyone always wants more from the bigger players.

From interviews it sounds like he likes playing physical. He says it doesn't totally come natural to him because being so big as a kid, he was an easy target for penalties just because he was so strong. Now he's starting to get more physical and it's growing on him.

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Yeah it is early, but I will agree with you.

So far I have three LOCKS for the top 5 in the 2012 draft.

Ryan Murray
Nail Yakupov
Griffin Reinhart
Reading this thread from the beginning to read up on Reinhart's development and have to give props to this post made in January 2011.

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I had Trouba ahead of Reinhart but that I mean thats because of Trouba being more physical.

Murray
Trouba
Reinhart
Rielly
Lindholm

Those guys are my top five and although the Islanders went with my third choice their is no doubt around the league that Reinhart is highly regarded.

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06-22-2012, 11:49 PM
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Reading this thread from the beginning to read up on Reinhart's development and have to give props to this post made in January 2011.
Thanks a ton.

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06-22-2012, 11:52 PM
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Here's an FC piece about him.

http://futureconsiderations.ca/islan...t-4th-overall/

Quote from me in April of 2012:

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“Reinhart is a big, two-way defender. He has the ability to defend with size and reach. His physicality continues to be an area to work on. Strong offensive skills and skating has improved all season. Expect him to be a top 10 selection, but I would take him top five.”

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I agree with you assessment of his play and he does use his size well in the defensive zone, but having watched them all a number of times I would consider him a 2way defenseman and not on the level of dumba or Murray.

As far as standing up to the NHL I think dumba is the most athletic and durable, he has been playing 30 mins a game and plays a fast physical game and has held up very well, better than the other two so I don't see that as a concern. He will be 6 foot or better and over 200 pounds in the NHL.

Dumba will go before reinhart, Murray should too.
Good to see I was right here.

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Reinhart looks like he could be a top 6 pick this year. You can teach skill, but you can't teach size. IMO, better then Dumba. Close with Murray.
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I wasn't arguing that he wouldn't make the NHL.

I was merely saying, that his skating will keep him a level below those guys, and he isn't the 2nd best prospect from the WHL IMO.
I stand by my statement that he is.

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Is all of this talk about questionable intensity legit? I find it hard to believe he'd go as high as he did if there was doubt in pro scout's eyes.
It's his biggest flaw. And it's not really a lack of intensity, it's more of just a small lack of physical play. He doesn't punish guys like he could with a 6'4 frame. He came on physically down the stretch this year, a big improvement, but it's still an area that needs work.

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I heard Bob Mckenzie say countless times that some scouts have compared Reinhart to young Shea Weber, their path were pretty much the same back when Weber was 18, except Reinhart is much more stronger and better overall than Weber ever was in his draft year.

Great great pick up NYI if he comes anywhere close Weber's level.

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Good to see I was right here.





Not so funny now, is it?



I stand by my statement that he is.



It's his biggest flaw. And it's not really a lack of intensity, it's more of just a small lack of physical play. He doesn't punish guys like he could with a 6'4 frame. He came on physically down the stretch this year, a big improvement, but it's still an area that needs work.
That's fine, as long as he wants to be out there and compete he'll improve his weaknesses.

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My top 5 are Murray, Yakupov, Ebert, Reinhart, and Galchenyuk, though if you look a year and a half before last year's draft, you would see names like McFarland, Kabanov, etc.
4 of 5 isn't bad at all...congrats! ebert really hurt, though

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Good thing is with the additions of Vis and Carkner and the development and competition for the last D spot between deHann and Donovan, Rienhart will be givin atleast another year in juniors to develope.....

did not hurt Pietrangelo....

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