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Nash vs. Parise; B. Ryan discussion

View Poll Results: Nash or Parise...Who should we go after?
Nash 23 13.77%
Parise 94 56.29%
Either one, doesnt matter 19 11.38%
Don't want either one 31 18.56%
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04-23-2012, 11:12 PM
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Bobby Ryan.
I'm all ears. What would it really take to acquire him?

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04-23-2012, 11:16 PM
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Parise, two way player who can score.

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I would want Nash more. But if price is too high, I do not want to mess up this team.

I would deff want parise, it would seem he would fit in perfectly. But that is just on paper.

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04-24-2012, 12:27 PM
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I assume Parise cap hit will be same as Nash. If not he should change his agent. That makes hem comparable.
I voted Nash. We need a better scorers with better size, not just a better players.

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04-24-2012, 01:50 PM
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I'd say....trade for Bobby Ryan...something built around Dubi, Sauer, McIlrath and picks

Hagelin - Richards - Gaborik
Ryan - Stepan - Callahan
Kreider - Anisimov - MZA
Rupp - Boyle - Prust

McDonagh - Girardi
Staal - Erixon
MDZ - Stralman


Or you could go something like...

Ryan - Richards - Gaborik
Kreider - Stepan - Hagelin
MZA - AA - Callahan
Rupp - Boyle - Prust

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04-24-2012, 02:03 PM
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I'd say....trade for Bobby Ryan...something built around Dubi, Sauer, McIlrath and picks

Hagelin - Richards - Gaborik
Ryan - Stepan - Callahan
Kreider - Anisimov - MZA
Rupp - Boyle - Prust

McDonagh - Girardi
Staal - Erixon
MDZ - Stralman


Or you could go something like...

Ryan - Richards - Gaborik
Kreider - Stepan - Hagelin
MZA - AA - Callahan
Rupp - Boyle - Prust
DO NOT TRADE MCILRATH.

He will take a couple more years to develop but when he does we all will be glad they chose him. Imposing presence on the blue-line? Yes please.

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04-24-2012, 02:22 PM
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I'm all ears. What would it really take to acquire him?
A lot.


Staal or Del Zotto

Dubinsky
Stepan
Kreider (they will ask...)
Pick/s

He's not available and has a reasonable contract. He will not be cheap by any means.

I would like him too. but you might want to eliminate him out of your mind.

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We need some more size up front. The Sens are exposing that big time.

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Parise, hands down. Now, if only the cap goes to $100m.

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Honestly, I'd rather avoid both. Jumping on a high paid big name player is a same old rangers move. I don't want another monster contract on the books.
I agree, we should have passed up Gaborik and Richards as well.

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I assume Parise cap hit will be same as Nash. If not he should change his agent. That makes hem comparable.
I voted Nash. We need a better scorers with better size, not just a better players.
Disagree.

Players don't care about their "cap-hit." They want top-dollar and longevity for security. Parise likely signs a retirement contract, thus bringing his cap-hit down to the reasonable 6-7 range. He won't have a 7.8 cap-hit unless he leaves a lot of cash on the table and takes a short-term deal.

Can we hold off on these discussions til the offseason though? I find it disrespectful to the team and the players to be talking about non-Rangers who we can sign or trade for next year. We're going to game 7 in a few days! LET'S GO RANGERS!

WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN NASH OR PARISE.

LUNDQVIST will lead us to the promise land!

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bobby ryan would be great, we should have tried to get him earlier in the season when dubi had some stock value, he could of been a good piece to a trade. Ryan Clowe?

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04-24-2012, 07:55 PM
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I say go after Parise only on our terms meaning money...

He's more attractive because we dont give up players

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Parise should be our number target. But if we cant land him I feel we do need to make a move for some offense

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Parise would be great. I think Nash is the better player all around, but Parise just costs $$$.

If we miss out on Parise and Nash demands are more reasonable I could see a deal being made for him. Lots of other moves could be made.

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bobby ryan would be great, we should have tried to get him earlier in the season when dubi had some stock value, he could of been a good piece to a trade. Ryan Clowe?
The guys on the San Jose board are all ready to trade him. They say soft and no production.

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honestly i do not believe a top scorer is the answer. i think we need to fix the bottom 6 right now. there are a few good and a few brutal players in there.

feds is clearly aging, rupp hasnt done too much, mitchell is ****ing useless, dubi is ok but way to much money for a 3rd liner. with the amount of cap we would gain this offseason along with trading some of these guys we could essentially buy a new bottom 6. personally i like gaustad, gives us a great faceoff center; paille is a free agent if boston let him go; lee stepniak could be added to top 6 allowing one of our young LWs to develop on the 3rd line.

a bottom 6 of:

kreider/hagelin-boyle-AA/zucc
paille-gaustad-prust

i doubt we get all of these guys, and accept that we likely wont get any but whatever holes cant be filled by these guys i am suggesting can be filled by you prospects like JTM or CT

so lets say we only get one of them (ill pick gaustad because of the three hes my favorite) it would still be a great improvement

hags-richie-gabs
kreider-stepan-cally
AA-boyle-zucc/CT/JTM
zucc/CT/JTM-gaustad-prust

that is a lineup with incredible depth, teams like those are the ones that win championships

as for defense DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING i am very confident with our defense right now

staal(healthy)/Mcd-girardi
McD/staal(currently)-sauer
erixon-stralman
eminger/bickel as the 7th

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Parise would be great. I think Nash is the better player all around, but Parise just costs $$$.

If we miss out on Parise and Nash demands are more reasonable I could see a deal being made for him. Lots of other moves could be made.
How do yo figure Nash is better "all-around"? He's a one Dimensional Goal Scorer who doesn't make his teammates better. He doesn't make plays. He doesn't play D (though that's more because he's in Columbus and their system). Parise is the better all-around player hands down. But yes....he will cost $$$

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bobby ryan would be great, we should have tried to get him earlier in the season when dubi had some stock value, he could of been a good piece to a trade. Ryan Clowe?
Clowe would just be another grinder.

What this team DOESN'T need. We need pure scoring talent.

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Clowe would just be another grinder.

What this team DOESN'T need. We need pure scoring talent.
agree that we dont need another grinder but i strongly disagree with the statement that we need a pure scorer. i believe that we need a more balanced lineup not one or two lines of skill and 2 mediocre lines. look at what weve done in the past, we have payed big money for promising stars and then ignored the rest of the team. if we focus on the team as a whole and not just the 1st or 2nd line then we will more forward. look at boston. give me one legit pure goal scorer that they had (not to be confused with talent, that team had a ton of talent but not a ton of top notch scorers) we are a team built very similar to them. any defensive team needs to have a team where they can role all 4 lines and not worry every time that player X (john mitchell) steps on the ice. balanced teams with little holes win championships (boston), not teams with one line of stars (tampa)

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Clowe would just be another grinder.

What this team DOESN'T need. We need pure scoring talent.
Obviously a Ryan, Parise, Nash, etc is the "sexy" choice. But i think someone like say....and Erik Cole would be perfect fit to our team. Sure he's older....but he's a proven scorer who can make plays, and he would not be anywhere as costly as any of the other prized options. Plus...if our "Window" for Winning is now and for the next couple years.....he's be perfect for 2 years imho

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Obviously a Ryan, Parise, Nash, etc is the "sexy" choice. But i think someone like say....and Erik Cole would be perfect fit to our team. Sure he's older....but he's a proven scorer who can make plays, and he would not be anywhere as costly as any of the other prized options. Plus...if our "Window" for Winning is now and for the next couple years.....he's be perfect for 2 years imho
coles a good thought but i was thinking more like lee stepniak

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IMO our first move should be moving Dubi. He makes way too much $$$ for what he's doing. One can argue that its a bad year for him but we need him out, when he's gone we should have a little bit more money to play with. That is if we move him for a player that his caliber or some what less.

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Parise in a heartbeat please.

Parise is no gomez. He is one of the extremely rare Devs I actually like and respect; with the previous being Langenbrunner.

Zach has plenty of good years left in him and has a great work ethic and locker room presence. I'd love to get him.
I heard the same things about Gomez. He's no ___ (Insert player)

Nash is a proven goal scorer on a crap team. If you can give up the right package that doesn't hurt us and gives us an amazing chance at a cup for the next 2 seasons, you do it.

Obviously $$$ needs to move and even though I like him a lot, Dubinsky is out the door. You can't be paying a guy 4 million for what he's produced.

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I heard the same things about Gomez. He's no ___ (Insert player)

Nash is a proven goal scorer on a crap team. If you can give up the right package that doesn't hurt us and gives us an amazing chance at a cup for the next 2 seasons, you do it.

Obviously $$$ needs to move and even though I like him a lot, Dubinsky is out the door. You can't be paying a guy 4 million for what he's produced.
I do not see Parise packing his bags to join us here, I do see Nash however coming over. If the asking price for Nash is too much then we need to land Ryan. If Ryan don't work out Glen better hit the phones.

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