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04-24-2012, 11:50 PM
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Crazy kind of rebuild


To Chicago:
Miller
Roy
McNabb
Leopold
Nashville 1st

To Buffalo:
Keith
Sharp
Crawford
Shaw
Frolik

Then

To Vancouver:
Vanek
Crawford
Buffalo 1st
Buffalo 2nd

To Buffalo:
Luongo
Kesler


Sharp-Hodgson-Pomminville
Leino/Frolik-Kesler-Shaw
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Tropp-Mccormick-Gerbe
Ellis

Myers-Keith
Erhoff-Sulzer
Regehr-Sekera
Weber

Luongo
Enroth

See who out performs better Frolik or Leino. Bury the loser in AHL or if affordable have them be the healthy scratch.
Why would we do the cancouver deal? Id do the chicago one and dress that team. Would ryher put crawfords crappy play in net than luongos crappy play velcroed to a ten year deal

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04-25-2012, 09:25 AM
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Roy + Leopold + Adam + Nsh 1st for Enstrom + Antropov

Leopold fills the roster spot on their defense as a minute-eater. Antropov is both as a cap dump and to maintain our center depth. Adam + 1st is to try and even it out a bit.
For that package I would want to see Enstrom & Cormier coming back - although Antro wouldn't break the deal for me I would rather have Patrice....

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04-25-2012, 09:37 AM
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Why would we do the cancouver deal? Id do the chicago one and dress that team. Would ryher put crawfords crappy play in net than luongos crappy play velcroed to a ten year deal
Crawford's suck is the suckiest suck that ever sucked the suck.

Luongo's suck is overblown, he was pretty good for the entire playoffs except for the SCF.

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04-25-2012, 11:20 AM
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Why would we do the cancouver deal? Id do the chicago one and dress that team. Would ryher put crawfords crappy play in net than luongos crappy play velcroed to a ten year deal
If Vancouver is trading Luongo and going with Schnieder then Crawford can be a good backup until Eddie Lack is ready for that spot. Vanek gives them scoring on the wing to possibly play with the Sedins. We might have to add to the Vancouver trade to even it out but it was late and i was bored so i just threw it together lol.

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04-25-2012, 11:42 AM
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For those that like Roy to Chicago:
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ChrisKuc Sounds like #Blackhawks will be relying on Patrick Kane to play center next season.
http://twitter.com/ChrisKuc/status/195173132892520448

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04-25-2012, 11:47 AM
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For those that like Roy to Chicago:

http://twitter.com/ChrisKuc/status/195173132892520448
So what you're saying is Roy + Nash 1st for Kane?

I like it!


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04-25-2012, 11:50 AM
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For those that like Roy to Chicago:

http://twitter.com/ChrisKuc/status/195173132892520448
I don't think that means a whole lot at this point, I would imagine they will be looking at all options to fill holes upfront.

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04-25-2012, 12:06 PM
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For those that like Roy to Chicago:

http://twitter.com/ChrisKuc/status/195173132892520448
Didn't he play center for a while at the start of the season and struggle, prompting them to move him back to wing?

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04-25-2012, 12:14 PM
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http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...-patrick-kane/

One Chicago columnist is suggesting that the Hawks shop Kane to try and land a #1 goalie.

How long before a someone around Buffalo grabs that and suggests Miller for Kane?

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04-25-2012, 12:20 PM
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http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...-patrick-kane/

One Chicago columnist is suggesting that the Hawks shop Kane to try and land a #1 goalie.

How long before a someone around Buffalo grabs that and suggests Miller for Kane?
not a very good source at all

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04-25-2012, 12:24 PM
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Kesler not untouchable

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_r...er-untouchable

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Considering Roberto Luongo's new willingness to waive his no-trade clause, the goaltender's name is sure to come up in trade talks, but he's not the only Canuck with certain trade value. [Ryan Kesler's] impact on this organization, on the ice and off, is impossible to overstate. Exhibit A is the decline of the Canucks' game when Kesler tried to play through injuries the last two playoff series, including the five-and-out loss to the Los Angeles Kings in the opening round of this Stanley Cup tournament. ... But trading their core player is not as unthinkable as it once seemed, given the season Kesler had, a no-trade clause in his contract that kicks in before next season, and the potential benefits to the Canucks of a multi-player windfall.
Vanek, Roy and Weber/Brennan for Kesler and 2nd?

Assuming Luongo is traded, Vancouver should have the cap room.

Trade Nsh 1st and a 2nd to NJ to negotiate with Parise.

Sign Suter

Trade Leopold

Parise-Kesler-Pominville
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Leino-Hodgson-Tropp
Gerbe-Ellis/McCormick-Kaleta

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04-25-2012, 12:38 PM
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not a very good source at all
He's not saying he has a source that the Hawks will shop Kane. He's putting the idea out there that they should shop Kane.

It's like Jerry & Bucky suggesting that Regier should get replaced. They aren't saying he's going to.....

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04-25-2012, 12:43 PM
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Vanek, Roy and Weber/Brennan for Kesler and 2nd?

Assuming Luongo is traded, Vancouver should have the cap room.
I doubt that Vancouver wants to take on that much against the cap even if they move Luongo.

Schneider is going to want a huge raise if they move Luongo to make him the #1.

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Trade Nsh 1st and a 2nd to NJ to negotiate with Parise.

Sign Suter
Regier has talked down going the UFA route to solve the team's problems this off season.

I would be stunned if the Sabres signed one of Suter & Parise. Let alone both.

And no way would I want the Sabres to give up a 1st and a 2nd to negotiate early with Parise.

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04-25-2012, 01:10 PM
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I doubt that Vancouver wants to take on that much against the cap even if they move Luongo.

Schneider is going to want a huge raise if they move Luongo to make him the #1.



Regier has talked down going the UFA route to solve the team's problems this off season.

I would be stunned if the Sabres signed one of Suter & Parise. Let alone both.

And no way would I want the Sabres to give up a 1st and a 2nd to negotiate early with Parise.
I should have added that I don't expect any of this to occur. Its not realistic in anyway. Its just moves I would love to see that aren't complete ripoffs or entirely impossible. Just improbable.

That being said, the payment for Kesler is fair and something Vancouver could consider.

Parise would be difficult to sign in my opinion and I think the Sabres getting exclusive negotiating rights for him is the only way its possible. Considering the demand for Parise and NJ's likely unwillingness to part with him, I think a late 1st and 2nd could get them to deal with us. If we could sign him it would be worth every bit, IMO.

Suter and Parise would only be in dreams and possibly not even affordable. But, would sure make our defense both solid offensively and defensively.

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04-25-2012, 02:35 PM
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Vancouver will not trade Kesler. Gillis consider s him part of the core he wants to move forward with.

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04-25-2012, 03:00 PM
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Vanek, Roy and Weber/Brennan for Kesler and 2nd?

Assuming Luongo is traded, Vancouver should have the cap room.

Trade Nsh 1st and a 2nd to NJ to negotiate with Parise.

Sign Suter

Trade Leopold

Parise-Kesler-Pominville
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Leino-Hodgson-Tropp
Gerbe-Ellis/McCormick-Kaleta

Suter-Myers
Sekera-Regehr
Sulzer-Ehrhoff
Weber/Brennan(whomever's not traded)
McNabb
Pysyk

That is beyond ridiculous overpayment for negotiating rights. Hell Ehrhoff only garnered a 4th. I doubt we'd even have to give up a 2nd for his rights if it came to that, which I don't think it will.

Also, I think you're overpaying for Kesler.

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Just trade Roy for Sheahan already.

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04-25-2012, 04:59 PM
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That is beyond ridiculous overpayment for negotiating rights. Hell Ehrhoff only garnered a 4th. I doubt we'd even have to give up a 2nd for his rights if it came to that, which I don't think it will.

Also, I think you're overpaying for Kesler.
Bryzgalov got a 3rd. Hartnell and Timmonen got a 1st from Philly. Maybe the 1st and 2nd is high but I would not be surprised by at least a first. Parise is far more desirable than Ehrhoff and Bryzgalov and the Devils are less interested in moving him than either Vancouver or Phoenix were. With the way teams are handing out long term deals right now, there are very few star players available through free agency. If he were signed, or you want to go after any other star player under contract it will cost you far more than that.

And whether you think Buffalo is a desired destination for him or not, it would be greatly to our advantage to have exclusive negotiation rights with him. People are suggesting we hand out contracts to RFAs that will cause us to over pay for them and dish out multiple first rounders, but its ridiculous to consider giving up a first for Parise's rights? We'd obviously have to think we are going to ba able to sign him, but its worth the risk, IMO. And the second was to consider other offers of a 1st. Maybe a 3rd or 4th would do it.

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IF we get two out of Parise, Suter, Getzlaf or a top 5 pick for anyone who is not named Tyler, brayden, andrej or Ryan, then I'm a happy camper.

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IF we get two out of Parise, Suter, Getzlaf or a top 5 pick for anyone who is not named Tyler, brayden, andrej or Ryan, then I'm a happy camper.
if they don't meet your unrealistice standards are you still a happy camper?

I think the most realistic option via trade is Jordan Staal, if we get him I would be thrilled

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I think the most realistic option via trade is Jordan Staal, if we get him I would be thrilled
me too

That's my summer dream move at this point

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me too

That's my summer dream move at this point
Same, I think he is that big body center that we really need. He is very good defensively and has untapped offensive potential

only issue is #11 is retired here

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Luongo sucks keep him away

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Why is everyone neglecting Hodgson in their teams. He is better than a third line center with two mediocre wingers.

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me too

That's my summer dream move at this point
Same.

I'm not sure of a player that would make more sense for the Sabres this summer than Staal. He literally meets every criteria that Regier alluded to wanting to add this Summer.

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