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04-26-2012, 12:06 AM
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04-26-2012, 12:15 AM
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When people value Kulemin highly because of his one 30 goal season, I always think of Cheechoo. 56 goals to 37 to 23 to 12 to 5 to now in the AHL.
It's not just the 30 goals. Kulemin is a good player. He works hard, skates well, is strong along the boards, good defensively - he has no real weakness. I know he scored 30, but I don't think he's a perennial 30 goal guy in the NHL, he's a 20 goal guy in the right situation though. He lacks the vision/hockey sense/shot to be anything more than that, over the long haul.

Cheechoo was a one-trick pony who's skating deteriorated so badly that he could no longer play in the league. The 56 goals was an aberration, thank you Joe Thornton.

I'd still keep Staal.

The Pens are a great team who had a terrible series. They remain among the best in the NHL. I don't see any reason for any big changes.

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04-26-2012, 12:28 AM
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I like how Kuli plays too, but its ridiculous how some fellow fans overrate him... They say 30 goal scorer and then continue to value him even more then that since he is still young and developing. 20 goal player like you said I think will be the max he will become. Probably ends up as a hard hitting 2nd line winger (3rd line depending on the team) who specializes in defense but can chip in offensively when needed. I see him likely to be a 3.5m player, not too shabby, but not the 'I include him because he will replace Staal perfectly one day' some people seem to imply.

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04-26-2012, 04:31 AM
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If it's bathroom stall, then it's a deal. If it's Jordan Staal, then... yeah nevermind!

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04-26-2012, 04:51 AM
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Outside of OEL, what would it take to bring Jordan Staal to Phoenix? He'd not only be the #1 center, but he'd be one of the faces of the franchise. I haven't seen a massive amount of him, but he's like a better Martin Hanzal, right? Big, physical two way center?

We have practically nothing when it comes to forward prospects, but feel free to raid our cupboard of d-men we've been hoarding.

Oh and if we'll take Zbynek back if that'll help out, since you guys clearly aren't using him right

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Staal on the ducks just seems like a perfect match, if there was a way to construct a deal around Ryan, or if the Ducks could use their no.6 pick and a prospect to land a defensemen Pittsburgh would want for Staal I would want it done. I just don't think he's going to remain in Pittsburgh to be their no.3 Center. he's a no.2 atleast on most teams

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04-26-2012, 05:22 AM
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Schenn, Kuli, Colborne and a conditional second/guaranteed 3rd....

It's not a bad package...but since everyone hates Schenn, many won't like it.

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Schenn, Kuli, Colborne and a conditional second/guaranteed 3rd....

It's not a bad package...but since everyone hates Schenn, many won't like it.

lol wtf? since when did it go from Schenn + Kulemin to adding Colborne and a top-90 pick?

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Staal on the ducks just seems like a perfect match, if there was a way to construct a deal around Ryan, or if the Ducks could use their no.6 pick and a prospect to land a defensemen Pittsburgh would want for Staal I would want it done. I just don't think he's going to remain in Pittsburgh to be their no.3 Center. he's a no.2 atleast on most teams
Don't you think Anaheim is better off simply keeping that defenseman instead?

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Staal on the ducks just seems like a perfect match, if there was a way to construct a deal around Ryan, or if the Ducks could use their no.6 pick and a prospect to land a defensemen Pittsburgh would want for Staal I would want it done. I just don't think he's going to remain in Pittsburgh to be their no.3 Center. he's a no.2 atleast on most teams
Have you watched Etem in Syracuse? He's not going to jump right in to the NHL next year as a top six forward. He'll need a half season in the minors at the very least.

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Don't you think Anaheim is better off simply keeping that defenseman instead?
Goaltending was our big issue this year. It took Hiller half a season to get back in form after missing six months with vertigo.

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Pittsburgh takes that and runs for the hills. Wow
Ya no way Sabres even think about Myers for Staal. unless Pittsburgh adds and they wont

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When people value Kulemin highly because of his one 30 goal season, I always think of Cheechoo. 56 goals to 37 to 23 to 12 to 5 to now in the AHL.
Except for the fact Kulemin can skate

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Canucks will give you Ryan Kesler, Manny Malhotra and Keith Ballard for J. Staal and 2nd round draft pick

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Schenn, Kuli, Colborne and a conditional second/guaranteed 3rd....

It's not a bad package...but since everyone hates Schenn, many won't like it.
Actually, that is a bad package. Way too much.

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04-26-2012, 09:15 AM
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Canucks will give you Ryan Kesler, Manny Malhotra and Keith Ballard for J. Staal and 2nd round draft pick
Would Canuck fans seriously consider a Kesler for Staal swap? Obviously assuming an extension can be worked out.

Under the impression his game would transition to wing with his speed and board play. He brings a net front presence which we sorely need, RHS, can shift to center when an injury occurs or we load up the top line.

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04-26-2012, 09:38 AM
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Would Canuck fans seriously consider a Kesler for Staal swap? Obviously assuming an extension can be worked out.

Under the impression his game would transition to wing with his speed and board play. He brings a net front presence which we sorely need, RHS, can shift to center when an injury occurs or we load up the top line.
There are some in the Vancovuer media who see a Kesler move as a possibility - especially if Gillis wants to start re-making his core. The return has to be significant though and a player like J. Staal would make it mighty tempting I would think.

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I just see Kesler as a perfect return at forward for Staal minus the age gap. He brings a proven defensive presence at center, but could light it up on wing with Sid/Geno with his skating ability, board play and goal scorer's shot.

I'd do it as a pens fan if I'm forced to move Staal. Good scenario for Staal as well.

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Ya no way Sabres even think about Myers for Staal. unless Pittsburgh adds and they wont
staal + martin for Myers

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Martin has negative trade value right now.

Pittsburgh won't make an offer that has the Sabres being willing to give up Myers.

Plus, I doubt the Pens want to pay Myers the $12M or so he's slated to make over the next year.

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Martin has negative trade value right now.
No he doesn't. The Pens will definitely be able to move him without needing to give up something to do so. They likely won't gain much in return, but they won't have to give any value in any way for someone to trade for him.

and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if a team does trade for him on the cheap that they end up looking back on the deal quite fondly. There's a pretty decent chance a team could pick up a quality d man on the cheap here if circumstances play out favorably.

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04-26-2012, 11:26 AM
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Have you watched Etem in Syracuse? He's not going to jump right in to the NHL next year as a top six forward. He'll need a half season in the minors at the very least.
I really hope that if Staal does leave, we do it with the Ducks and Etem come here. Would love to see him on Crosby's wing in the future.

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No he doesn't. The Pens will definitely be able to move him without needing to give up something to do so. They likely won't gain much in return, but they won't have to give any value in any way for someone to trade for him.

and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if a team does trade for him on the cheap that they end up looking back on the deal quite fondly. There's a pretty decent chance a team could pick up a quality d man on the cheap here if circumstances play out favorably.
I was overstating it. But, only slightly. When fans and media are saying move a guy two years into a big money 5 year UFA deal, his trade value isn't high.

But, Martin doesn't make up the gap in trade value that the Sabres would place on Myers and Staal.

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The Pens are a great team who had a terrible series. They remain among the best in the NHL. I don't see any reason for any big changes.
They absolutely need to make some changes. Which will almost certainly be to the blueline. When you allow 28 goals in 6 games, you're doing something wrong. Our D showed that they had a heck of a time moving Philly's forwards out of the crease, and were not nearly physical enough, and didn't block enough shots. This is something that can easily be addressed via trade or FA (assuming there's an open position).

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Martin has negative trade value right now.

Pittsburgh won't make an offer that has the Sabres being willing to give up Myers.

Plus, I doubt the Pens want to pay Myers the $12M or so he's slated to make over the next year.
I'd add to Staal for Myers, depending on what they're looking for (and not Martin). Not sure if the Pens like the idea of Myers 10m signing bonus due July 1st (and if the trade isn't made before that, there's no chance Myers is moved anytime soon).

And Martin doesn't have negative value. His value isn't super high, but the Pens won't have to pay someone to take him. If Shero wants to move him, he'll find someone and get something decent back.

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04-26-2012, 12:51 PM
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I don't see Staal a good fit for Toronto. He's not a #1 Centre, we already have our 2nd line Centre for a while with Grabo, and he wont want to be a 3rd line Centre somewhere else.

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