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04-25-2012, 05:17 PM
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Anyone who doesn't think Gillis isn't the best GM in franchise history is insane.
Seriously?

Gillis sure does have a cult following around here.

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04-25-2012, 06:28 PM
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We had a second 3rd round pick in 2006.




Brett Skinner & Tomas Mojzis are not really any NHL teams future.
Both never amounted to anything in the NHL and are in europe now.

We lost Jovo and Salo that year and he was desperate to fix the D corps.

We still had a 1st & 3rd in the 2006 draft.



Pyatt had 2x 37 point seasons for us.
Not worth a 4th round pick?



Jason King did have a 20 goal season last year.
In the AHL...



Every team that gets a rental for the playoffs and doesnt win the cup, has "NOTHING to show for any of" for what ever they traded away.
The trades dont look bad when you consider he also was able to fill the prospect cuboard whiled oing that.

edit. left in a rush..
I mean they are not great either. But its not like our prospect pool got smaller with Nonis.
He traded away picks in a year the Canucks failed to make the playoffs. I completely missed out how he also traded a 2nd round pick for Mika Noronen as well.

Gillis has traded away picks for the players that he retained. That's what he has to show for (Lapierre, Higgins).

Our prospect pool got smaller and worse with Nonis at the helm.

The other thing here is when you state things like "We had another 3rd rd pick in season X", that's not the point. We werent given a free 3rd rd pick by winning our division. We gave something to get it and then received nothing.

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04-26-2012, 04:15 AM
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He traded away picks in a year the Canucks failed to make the playoffs. I completely missed out how he also traded a 2nd round pick for Mika Noronen as well.

Gillis has traded away picks for the players that he retained. That's what he has to show for (Lapierre, Higgins).

Our prospect pool got smaller and worse with Nonis at the helm.

The other thing here is when you state things like "We had another 3rd rd pick in season X", that's not the point. We werent given a free 3rd rd pick by winning our division. We gave something to get it and then received nothing.
Nonis drafting record:

2007 Entry
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25th 1st Patrick White crap
33rd 2nd Taylor Ellington crap
145th 5th Charles-Antoine Messier crap
146th 5th Kablukov crap
176th 6th Taylor Matson maybe a forthliner
206th 7th Dan Gendur crap

2006 Entry
14th 1st Michael Grabner NHL good pick
82th 3rd Daniel Rahimi crap
163th 6th Sergei Shirokov AHL star NHL upside good pick
167th 6th Juraj Simek crap
197th 7th Evan Fuller crap

2005 Entry
10th 1st Luc Bourdon Unfortunate
51st 2nd Mason Raymond NHL player good pick
114th 4thAlexandre Vincentcrap
138th 5th Matt Butcher C crap
185th 6th Kris Fredheim D crap
205th 7th Mario Bliznak C AHL good value

2004 Entry
26th 1st Cory Schneider G Great pick
91th 3rd Alexander Edler D Great pick
125th 4th Andrew Sarauer L crap
159th 5th Mike Brown R Good pick
189th 6th Julien Ellis G crap
254th 8th David Schulz crap
287th 9th Jannik Hansen Great pick


Nonis depleted the prospect pool not only by trading away a lot of picks the drafting record exept for 2004 is abysmal. 2007 may be the worst draft ever.

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04-26-2012, 04:54 AM
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Nonis depleted the prospect pool not only by trading away a lot of picks the drafting record exept for 2004 is abysmal. 2007 may be the worst draft ever.
So.. what kind of pace is average drafting if Nonis was drafting at an abysmal rate?

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So.. what kind of pace is average drafting if Nonis was drafting at an abysmal rate?
Players drafted in the top 3 rounds should become at least AHL:ers, 1st rounders should make the NHL.

From 2005-2007 He drafted Raymond, Bourdon , Bliznak, Shirokov who made the AHL. Only Raymond made the NHL.Matson still may get a ELC. Thats 5 players of 16 and no real good players (Exept for Bourdon, who well never know about).

This is the reason our prospect pool is still bad, and why we have almost no internal competion for open spots on big club. If Nonis hadnt traded away 9 2nd-4th rounder our prospect pool would look a lot better.

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2004 was a brillant draft though I give him that.

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04-26-2012, 12:32 PM
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2004 was a brillant draft though I give him that.
i don't know how much you give him that, he took over a couple months before the draft. how much was he responsible for the direction of scouting that year? first year draft for a gm isn't fully on them either way imo, as they jump into the middle of a process and can't make the changes to the organization or the direction that they may want to make.

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i don't know how much you give him that, he took over a couple months before the draft. how much was he responsible for the direction of scouting that year? first year draft for a gm isn't fully on them either way imo, as they jump into the middle of a process and can't make the changes to the organization or the direction that they may want to make.
Edler was all Gradin. I believe there was an article talking about that draft that even had a quote from Nonis to that extent, he basically let Gradin have the pick because he wouldn't stop pestering him about Edler.

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So.. what kind of pace is average drafting if Nonis was drafting at an abysmal rate?
A good draft year would see the team sign 3 players to pro contracts. Gillis has had a spectacular record in that regard since coming here — we are going to sign every single player from the 09 draft, the 10 draft only Hannay (possibly Iilahti) won't get signed despite having no picks in the first 3 rounds, and the 11 draft is looking like it will only have 1 player that probably won't get signed (Westerholm).

So many of Nonis' picks didn't even go on to have a pro career at any level, let alone make the AHL or the NHL.

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04-26-2012, 01:38 PM
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i don't know how much you give him that, he took over a couple months before the draft. how much was he responsible for the direction of scouting that year? first year draft for a gm isn't fully on them either way imo, as they jump into the middle of a process and can't make the changes to the organization or the direction that they may want to make.
He was IN the organization before he took over?

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Seriously?

Gillis sure does have a cult following around here.


Who would you say was better than Gillis?

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04-26-2012, 02:59 PM
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Who would you say was better than Gillis?
Pat Quinn

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So many of Nonis' picks didn't even go on to have a pro career at any level, let alone make the AHL or the NHL.
The 2007 draft was just abysmal in that regard. Other than Kablukov who is playing a bit part in the KHL not a single draft pick could crack a decent pro league. Taylor Ellington and his 21 career games in the AHL is the high water mark of that Canucks draft.

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So.. what kind of pace is average drafting if Nonis was drafting at an abysmal rate?
A good draft rate is 2 NHL players a year.

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He was IN the organization before he took over?
yes, but he wasn't setting the agenda the big headed gasbag was. maybe his strategy and approach to the draft was identical, i honestly don't know.

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A good draft rate is 2 NHL players a year.
That would probably mean that only Nashville has good drafting.

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A good draft year would see the team sign 3 players to pro contracts. Gillis has had a spectacular record in that regard since coming here — we are going to sign every single player from the 09 draft, the 10 draft only Hannay (possibly Iilahti) won't get signed despite having no picks in the first 3 rounds, and the 11 draft is looking like it will only have 1 player that probably won't get signed (Westerholm).

So many of Nonis' picks didn't even go on to have a pro career at any level, let alone make the AHL or the NHL.
Basically this. 2009 is looking pretty damn good so far, and '11 looks like it could be a good one too.

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Pat Quinn
Unfortunately Wetcoaster isnt around to have those links to show how inept he really was.

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Has this already been posted somewhere?
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/...s_coach_scout/
Thanks for this, been busy moving so I missed it.

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A good draft rate is 2 NHL players a year.
What would be average if ~1 NHL player / year average over 3 years is abysmal?

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2010 Entry
Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM
2010 Entry 115 4 Patrick McNally D Milton Academy [Mass.] Great Freashman season looks like a good pick
2010 Entry 145 5 Adam Polasek D Prince Edward Island Rocket [QMJHL] AHL good pick
2010 Entry 172 6 Alex Friesen C Niagara IceDogs [OHL] Dominating overager, good pick probably
2010 Entry 175 6 Jonathan Iilahti G Blues Jrs (Finland) meh probably crap
2010 Entry 205 7 Sawyer Hannay D Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL] crap


2009 Entry
Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM
2009 Entry 22 1 Jordan Schroeder C U. of Minnesota [WCHA] AHL at least good pick
2009 Entry 53 2 Anton Rodin W Brynas Jrs. (Sweden) AHL at least good pick
2009 Entry 83 3 Kevin Connauton D Western Michigan University [CCHA] AHL at least good pick
2009 Entry 113 4 Jeremy Price D Nepean Raiders [CJHL] to early
2009 Entry 143 5 Peter Andersson D Frolunda Jrs. (Sweden) Has pro contract decent pick
2009 Entry 173 6 Joe Cannata G Merrimack College [H-East] AHL good pick
2009 Entry 187 7 Steven Anthony L Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] ECHL/AHL good Pick


2008 Entry
Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM
2008 Entry 10 1 Cody Hodgson C Brampton Battalion [OHL] NHL good pick
2008 Entry 41 2 Yann Sauve D Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] AHL/NHL good pick
2008 Entry 131 5 Prabh Rai C Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL] ECHL earned pro contract decent pick
2008 Entry 161 6 Mats Froshaug C Linkoping Jr. [Sweden] Crap
2008 Entry 191 7 Morgan Clark G Red Deer Rebels Crap

This drafting record is much better than Nonis, because Gillis has produced a lot of proplayers.

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Pat Quinn


Good one.

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Good one.
Not completely sure what's so funny. You could certainly make an argument for Quinn.

Gillis has done a nice job retaining players that other have acquired to reasonable deals. The jury's out on his drafting, his trades and his free-agent signings.

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Not impressed at all!

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Not impressed at all!
MG took the same 'core' that Nonis had and won 4 straight division titles after he was hired. Nonis, however, missed the playoffs 2 out of 3 years he was on the job with the same core.

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Unfortunately Wetcoaster isnt around to have those links to show how inept he really was.
What happened to him?

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