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04-27-2012, 01:46 PM
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Luckily I don't need a lot of sleep to function, but staying up to 12:30 am to watch the Kings would be brutal if I had to do it every night. You really expect East coast sports writers to stay up every night until after 1 am to watch teams that they aren't covering? No way, that is why there are writers based out West to cover the West.

It's called a "bias", but it is just simple numbers. More East coast teams equals more writers based back East.

Some writers seem to stay up almost every night just based on twitter posts, but that is the exception to the rule.
There is this really cool new invention called the DVR. I hear that you can even skip the commercial breaks, the between period chatter, and game stoppages.

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Luckily I don't need a lot of sleep to function, but staying up to 12:30 am to watch the Kings would be brutal if I had to do it every night. You really expect East coast sports writers to stay up every night until after 1 am to watch teams that they aren't covering? No way, that is why there are writers based out West to cover the West.

It's called a "bias", but it is just simple numbers. More East coast teams equals more writers based back East.

Some writers seem to stay up almost every night just based on twitter posts, but that is the exception to the rule.
I cant speak for hockey but in baseball, writers will stay in the press boxes until late into the night and they have the games on tv. I cant see it being much different in hockey.

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04-27-2012, 02:34 PM
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There is this really cool new invention called the DVR. I hear that you can even skip the commercial breaks, the between period chatter, and game stoppages.
Writers don't have as much time as you'd think to sit around and watch DVR games all day, especially if there are a dozen games or more a night.

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04-27-2012, 02:42 PM
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Writers don't have as much time as you'd think to sit around and watch DVR games all day, especially if there are a dozen games or more a night.
They don't have to watch every game. They know they are going to be voting on these awards and which teams the candidates for the awards play on, so they can handle it.

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04-27-2012, 02:51 PM
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They don't have to watch every game. They know they are going to be voting on these awards and which teams the candidates for the awards play on, so they can handle it.
Don't hold your breath on that. It's never going to happen.

You are giving the typical writer too much credit. Most seem to just pull up the NHL stats page and fill out their balots. How else do you explain Stamkos making the final three on a team that finished 10th in their conference?

You almost always see the points and goals leader as a "finalist", no matter where their team finished.

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04-27-2012, 02:56 PM
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They don't have to watch every game. They know they are going to be voting on these awards and which teams the candidates for the awards play on, so they can handle it.
They would know only towards the final third of the season roughly. Especially for the Hart. It takes a while for those guys to seperate themselves.

Not to mention that there's more than just Quick, Lundqvist, Malkin, Giroux and Stamkos to watch for these guys. You don't think Karlsson, Spezza, Chara, Weber, Rinne, Smith and likely others weren't getting at least some discussion, and likely some votes, for the Hart? Do you have the time to watch all of these guys night after night and still do a full time job?

I don't like the system either, I think it should be a vote from GM's, coaches, player representatives and others actually involved in the game, but until it is, that's the system we got and I think you underestimate the hours writers put in. Adding in watching literally hours a night of game film to the duties isn't so simple.

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04-27-2012, 02:56 PM
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i dont mind that quick wasnt nominated but the fact that lundqvist is? FU east coast.

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04-27-2012, 03:00 PM
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So a hypothetical situation... Quick wins the Vezina as being the best goalie in the league, and he is veiwed then as not even the most valuable player at his position in a year where he played on one of the worst offensive teams in the league? Hehe, that's just pathetic.
Quick won't be winning the Vezina now. It's pretty obvious that if they voted Lundqvist in with a Hart nomination, they would have also voted for him as top goalie. Quick's only hope is that someone besides the writers vote on the Vezina but i'm too lazy to look it up right now

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04-27-2012, 03:07 PM
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I don't get all the Stamkos hate in here. The guy just scored 60 goals, it's only the second time that's happened in the past 15 years. He deserves a Hart nomination all day long. Too many people get hung up on the whole "most valuable to his team" thing. Even though that is the literal meaning of "MVP", we all know that since the beginning of time that's never the case in how the voting is done. People vote for the MVP of the league, regardless of what he's done for his team or where his team ends up in the standings. Is it right? No, probably not, but that's just the way it is.

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Quick won't be winning the Vezina now. It's pretty obvious that if they voted Lundqvist in with a Hart nomination, they would have also voted for him as top goalie.
Writers vote for the Hart. GM's vote for the Vezina.

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Writers vote for the Hart. GM's vote for the Vezina.
Well there we go! He's got a chance!

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04-27-2012, 03:15 PM
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Writers vote for the Hart. GM's vote for the Vezina.
I think enough of the West vote gets split between Quick and Rinne that Lundqvist wins it.

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04-27-2012, 03:16 PM
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Like we need him to win any more awards to inflate his contract....

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04-27-2012, 03:19 PM
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They would know only towards the final third of the season roughly. Especially for the Hart. It takes a while for those guys to seperate themselves.

Not to mention that there's more than just Quick, Lundqvist, Malkin, Giroux and Stamkos to watch for these guys. You don't think Karlsson, Spezza, Chara, Weber, Rinne, Smith and likely others weren't getting at least some discussion, and likely some votes, for the Hart? Do you have the time to watch all of these guys night after night and still do a full time job?

I don't like the system either, I think it should be a vote from GM's, coaches, player representatives and others actually involved in the game, but until it is, that's the system we got and I think you underestimate the hours writers put in. Adding in watching literally hours a night of game film to the duties isn't so simple.
Yeah, but like I said they don't have to watch every game and since these guys play on teams that play each other they can often kill multiple birds with one stone.

I don't know how many games a writer from an Eastern Conference team sees Quick play, but I bet it is fewer than 6 or 7.

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04-27-2012, 05:06 PM
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Yeah, but like I said they don't have to watch every game and since these guys play on teams that play each other they can often kill multiple birds with one stone.

I don't know how many games a writer from an Eastern Conference team sees Quick play, but I bet it is fewer than 6 or 7.
The same can be said of West coast writers for East Coast players.

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The same can be said of West coast writers for East Coast players.
Comparing the hockey markets between the two conferences, there has to be a ton more writers in the East

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04-27-2012, 06:11 PM
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Doesn't matter. Quick is the first player to credit the rest of his team for his success.

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Haven't read through everyone's post but freakin Lundqvist? What a joke! Should have been Malkin, Girioux, and Quick! Pathetic!

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The same can be said of West coast writers for East Coast players.
I would guess a lot of the writers watch the East coast games before the West coast games start.

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Stamkos? Stamkos?.....how is he the most valuable to his team when they didn't even make the playoffs...?

Sure 60 goals in this era is great, but come on people....not being a LA homer here , but without quick , we would be picking in the top 5...Even Giroux over stamkos....Giroux carried the flyers on his back....he was there horse....

Malkin and lundqvist....sure...but not stamkos
As far as valuable to the team not much difference between Giroux, Stamkos, Quick, Smith(PHX), Rinne, and Lundqvist, but the clear winner would be Malkin.

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I don't think anyone could have realistically expected Quick to be a finalist. The real question was Giroux versus Lundqvist. I would have gone with Giroux. It's a selective thing, in my view, that Hank gets the nod this year but Thomas did not last year nor did Miller the year before.

Even though it's a different set of voters, Lundqvist will probably win the Vezina, too. To me he and Quick were pretty even. When you're talking about a big eastern market versus virtually any true western market (not Detroit or Chicago), the eastern market wins out. Sportswriters are old and don't stay up late!

I don't want to denigrate Lundqvist's campaign, it was special, but it was not so much more special than some others we have seen. I think they got the Vezina finalists right, it was not that difficult because Smith didn't play great in the first half and the Blues split their starts, but here I would have said it should have been Malkin, Giroux and probably Stamkos, 60 goals is a lot even on a lousy team.

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Suck total crap.

East coast bias is real and if there is any doubt this should quite it.

That said this should pretty much spell Vezina for Quick.

Quick gets teh Vezina and Henry gets the Hart and I vomit in my mouth a little more every day.

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I thought the nomination goes to the player who is the most VALUABLE. Quick had way better numbers than Lundvquist.

No worries as long as Quick gets the Conn Smythe and the Stanley Cup!!

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Suck total crap.

East coast bias is real and if there is any doubt this should quite it.

That said this should pretty much spell Vezina for Quick.

Quick gets teh Vezina and Henry gets the Hart and I vomit in my mouth a little more every day.
Huh? The PHWA votes on the Hart, GMs/Coaches vote on the Vezina. Even so, this pretty much locks up the Vezina for Lundqvist if anything which, honestly, he already had locked up.

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I thought the nomination goes to the player who is the most VALUABLE. Quick had way better numbers than Lundvquist.

No worries as long as Quick gets the Conn Smythe and the Stanley Cup!!
Agree with the second part obviously but where are these "way better" numbers? As much accusations being flung toward eastern reporters, I get the sense that a lot of people pushing Quick hard haven't seen much of Lundqvist. He had four more wins in seven fewer starts with sv% and GAA being essentially even. Quick had two more shutouts, is there that big a difference between 8 and 10? Plus the Kings definitely have a better defense than New York. I am definitely not a fan of Hank or the Rangers but let's give credit where it's due.

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I cant speak for hockey but in baseball, writers will stay in the press boxes until late into the night and they have the games on tv. I cant see it being much different in hockey.
If you're on a daily deadline there is no way it's any later than 12, probably closer to 11. Most people are out of there not long after deadline.

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